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  • I understand your point of view, and I’ve made similar arguments before (not all of them though LOL)

    I remember reading (but can’t find) a poll showing that ~85% of Jewish people in Europe support “israel” even when 60% of them said that they condemn / were embarrassed in what “israel” was doing.

    I’ve had the same discussions with my partner who is Jewish (and I’m Palestinian, hah!). Yes, a lot of reported “antisemitism” is just anti-zionism. Yes, antisemitism does not occur as much as other forms of hate (Islamophobia, racism against blacks, asians, latinos, etc), but I wouldn’t go as far as saying that antisemitism isn’t an issue.

    Yes you could even say that Jewish people did manage to integrate well into white society, but that really only applies to Ashkenazis. But I wouldn’t say that privilege is impossible to revoke. The most antisemitic people support israel because they can send their jewish populations there when the time comes. They are perfectly fine working with jewish people when it comes to establishing and protecting a state, but I would disagree that they are integrated at all.

    There is no integration with these racists. They focus on oppressing the easiest-to-oppress class. Nazi Germany did it with Gays, Romanis, Slavs, Jewish, the disabled. Each of these groups were minority groups, the same way America has oppressed indigenous populations, blacks, latinos, gays, japanese, and muslims / arabs.

    The oppression will never end, but they will go up the “caste”, so to speak. They will oppress the “weakest” minority before moving on to the next, and they don’t have to be weak, they just have to be able to convince the rest of their followers and centrists that this minority group deserves to be put into internment camps / genocided / deported.

    Right now we have Muslims, Latinos, Haitians, and the LGBTQ being targeted by this administration. But if the oppression continues, and they get to be able to round us all up or deport us to CECOT, the job isn’t done there.

    Next they’ll find another population to oppress, Blacks, Asians, Jewish people. After that they’ll target anyone who isn’t a protestant or other characteristic that they decide makes one less “pure” than they are.

    The oppression won’t ever really end; Jewish people may seem to be safer than Latinos, Gays, and Muslims currently, but they will not have this privilege forever if the fascists get their way.

    You can also argue that “israel” has corrupted many Jewish minds in America. My partner’s father is old as shit and he even said himself that after the establishment of “israel” his Hebrew school began to split their focus on religion AND “israel”.

    While I believe it is abhorrent for anyone to support “israel” after witnessing the horrors they’ve committed, I do think it would be more productive to discuss intersectionality with a Jewish person than it is to scream at them for supporting the settler-colony.

    I will also give my own (unwanted) anecdotal evidence and say I have met more anti-zionist Jewish people than I have zionist Jewish people. Maybe it’s who I hang around, but even random interactions with strangers who are Jewish that have shown solidarity.

    Please let me know if you want to discuss more!