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  • happybadger [he/him]@hexbear.nettoSocialism@lemmy.mlA Marxist Perspective On AI
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    Sure but I’ve read the original post and it you don’t make a Marxist case for it. Here’s what I take as the core of your case for AI:

    Open-source AI models, when decoupled from profit motives, democratize creativity in unprecedented ways. They enable a nurse to visualize a protest poster, a factory worker to draft a union newsletter, or a tenant to simulate rent-strike scenarios.

    The real anxiety over AI art is about the balance of power. When institutions equate skill with specific tools such as oil paint, Python, DSLR cameras, they privilege those with the time and resources to master them. Generative AI, for all its flaws, democratizes access. A factory worker can now illustrate their memoir and a teenager in Lagos can prototype a comic. Does this mean every output is “art”? No more than every Instagram snapshot is a Cartier-Bresson. But gatekeepers have always weaponized “authenticity” to exclude newcomers. The camera did not kill art. Assembly lines did not kill craftsmanship. And AI will not kill creativity. What it exposes is that much of what we associate with production of art is rooted in specific technical skills.

    Part of creativity is what you don’t put on the canvas or write in the final draft. It’s a skill you refine through mistakes, self-reflection, and thinking really hard about the thing you’re making over the course of however many hours. The novella I’m writing now is nothing like its first draft because I’ve had to painstakingly go through it considering everything from the flow of the language to the nuances of the messaging to all the sources of that message. There’s a dialectic of hand and eye to it which has always and will always be centrally important. If you don’t want to judge art’s value by a monetary standard, that’s absolutely fine but whether you’re describing cave art or Star Trek replicator tech the art they value is based on humanistic craftsmanship.

    That nurse makes a protest poster based on a prompt. They aren’t happy with its composition or imagery. They feed ten more prompts into the plagiarism machine until one looks right. That’s still a time investment of an hour at most even if they manually edit the 6th finger out of the raised fist. You can’t spend an hour on an idea in any medium and make something worthwhile. That’s your short-term impression of your own work in the same headspace, offloading all of the mental effort of really critiquing what you’re making. The factory worker who drafts their union newsletter with an LLM might be able to do so faster, but even CommunismGPT is going to regurgitate a database of averaged opinions it doesn’t actually understand. Theory is based on observation and AI doesn’t observe. The factory worker who illustrates their memoir is someone who is already capable of creative expression but who can’t afford an art class or nice paint. They won’t learn illustration from using AI for the same reason I haven’t learned physics from cheating with it, and their memoir is cheapened by weird hallucinations of what a machine looks like rather than their impression of it or a photo. The teenager in Lagos could be provided paper or image editing software to do the necessary work of thinking about each element of every frame. None of them are better off for using it.

    If any of these use-cases were actually valid, they’d be observable in already communistic spaces like the fediverse. Hexbear doesn’t even give you karma points for posting so the only incentive is creative expression for its own sake and sociocultural roles. Most of us are stressed for time and would benefit from saving it. You should see our organisers, agitators, and creators celebrating deepseek and the other opensource models at least. You should see us using it in our posts and agitating for it in our subcommunities, but there isn’t a post in /c/labour calling for union stewards to download an LLM. There isn’t an AI-generated image being celebrated in reddit’s /r/nursing despite every other post being those same nurses organising while working 12 hour shifts. Our /c/art bans all AI images outright even from the most defensible models because that comic wouldn’t be worth reading and I don’t think you would read it either. Can you actually point to one AI-generated book you’d recommend? That music video would certainly distract my dog but one single creative product of length worth putting on your wall or spending time reading. It can be fiction, non-fiction, an article or a scientific study or political theory or an image of any kind. If the thing that separates theory from utopianism is observation, which of those use cases have you actually observed and would unironically recommend?


  • Because if you mean the intrinsic value of art then that’s refuted by the essay I originally linked. What other value do you think this would give communists? What about that music video you’re so impressed by couldn’t be done by animators who make a living from a creative product? And if that’s your standard for artistic quality, boy howdy. That’s absolute slop which I’d be embarrassed to show someone.


  • It could be the most sophisticated plagiarism machine possible, requiring the most amount of effort to make a coherent image of any of the models, but I challenge you to make the absolute best image on the absolute best model out there. Really pour your heart and soul into it for a sincere amount of time. Make a prompt 10,000 words long with every parameter precisely dialed in. It will take me 30 seconds and an acre of rainforest to make all of that for nothing in a way I can’t do if you snap a photograph out of your window. You sculpt a shitty cup and I can’t replicate it, you paint the most meaningless abstract expressionist piece and I can’t replicate it, you record a cover of Happy Birthday and I can’t replicate it. Not at the level you did without a technical background, not better than you did without significant capital investment or unique talent. If I can do that with AI images using a library computer or cheap smartphone, your investment in making the image is way more than its worth as an instantly genericised jpeg. I can’t feed your cup into a kiln and effortlessly make a better cup, but I’m four clicks away from making a better version of your AI image.

    Even if we develop it as open source and community driven, that doesn’t make it gain value it doesn’t intrinsically have. It devalues human art by flooding the space with slop, like it did with Clarkesworld and Spotify. It would still be ideologically futurist and alienating to the artists whose skill comes from years of practice. There’s no communist future where plagiarism is meaningful art when communists now and in the 1930s already saw through it. Would you buy an AI image I make as a Marxist who knows a lot about art theory? Would you buy it for the same price as a napkin doodle I make? This one’s pretty good, reflects my communist values with two decades of studying art nouveau behind it, and I’ll sell it to you for the right price:


  • My critique of AI is rooted in Walter Benjamin’s The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction, something it’s fundamentally incapable of overcoming. A photograph can be reproduced, but the print is worth the paper it’s on unless you do the actual labour of adding a signature. Like you said to produce the original takes actual skill and capital and creative intent. Coding a nice-looking website is artistic even though they’re just tappity-tapping at a keyboard. I could not replicate a good website without knowing multiple programming languages and all the fields web design draws from.

    Fundamentally that is not there with AI. It is all slop no matter how much tech demons try to inflate their salary by calling themselves prompt engineers instead of someone who does a lower level of data entry than I did working in tech support for an ISP. No amount of precision refinement of the plagiarism machine will overcome the fundamental valuelessness of it. The moment you upload that AI image you spent 40 hours engineering to the web, I’m going to feed it into another image generator with a prompt that tailors it to my tastes. I can say “make this in the style of Van Gogh” and produce something much better than your original image without any of the time you wasted trying to make a coherent picture, and my energy cost is much lower to produce the better version of the same product. I can’t do that with any actual commodity, only something like an NFT which also insists on its own value. Both NFTs and AI images are standard fictitious capital which can be replicated by their own means of production even easier than the “original” product. You right click>save the NFT and suddenly their $1m monkey jpeg is any other jpeg.

    Of course capitalists don’t care about it and just see it as a chance to turbocharge the primary contradiction of capitalism, but the closest historical parallel for me isn’t an artistic commodity so much as it is ersatz bread. They’re doing creative shrinkflation and the core limitation of the technology devalues their product to the point that people stop wanting it. There are Disney Adults who will pathologically seek out any slop with a face they recognise from childhood, but the same thing driving capitalists toward AI to save on labour costs is also driving them toward increasing the costs of the shittier product. People only bought into NFTs when the speculative value turned it into gambling just as they currently support AI because it represents a tech bubble. When that bursts, the energy costs of making an AI image will outweigh any amount of value you could get in the short term at the cost of your long-term reputation. Businesses who ratfuck their marketing departments to use it will cause a brain drain that hurts their ability to advertise, artists who use it will be lumped in with slop, and only niche applications like worse VFX in a product with greater actual capital investment will make economic sense.

    The neo-luddite position is the only one that makes sense to me because it’s building on two subsequent centuries of Marxist art/tech/cultural theory. We’re not seizing the mechanised looms because they don’t make actual cloth. Pushing a coherent humanistic idea of what art means, universalising its production and consumption with an economic focus on supporting artisans and artistic co-ops, is the way for people to see value in leftist art. The modernists understood this until that future was stolen from us and only building off what they started will create art that’s something other than a spectacle or commodity. AI “art” is purely within the ideological framework of fascist futurism with no place for us.




  • https://www.openculture.com/2024/11/umberto-ecos-list-of-the-14-common-features-of-fascism.html

    • The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”

    • The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”

    • The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”

    • Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”

    • Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”

    • Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”

    • The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”

    • The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”

    • Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”

    • Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”

    • Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”

    • Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”

    • Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”

    • Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”

    To me he meets all fourteen criteria of ur fascism.

    edit: Or as Mussolini defined fascism it’s the merger of state and corporate power. Having Silicon Valley as a co-president is structurally fascist.







  • Even if it’s something I disagree with, I think people should read it to understand why it’s stupid. My shelf has plenty of anarchist and liberal books that I just read critically to understand how my position differs. I’ve read Ayn Rand and Qanon shit just to understand my enemy. I never see this with anticommunists. They’re so militantly incurious toward the thing they hate the most. If you’ve actually read Marx and come away from it an anticommunist then that’s at least an interesting critique to interrogate, but none of these goobers have.



  • I think it’s a new level of simulacrum, at least for my youtube feed of various Guys.

    1st level - our perception/representation of space objects

    2nd level - those ancient global astrological traditions where they have some real sociocultural function for a specific group, but the functions and logic differ group to group

    3rd level - new age western astrology that mashes all of those together into semantic algebra while still pretending it’s sacred in some meaningful religious way

    4th - stripping any pretense of sacredness away from that to make it a geopolitics youtube gimmick alongside AI images of crystals and vaguely mythological/scifi things, distilled nonsense slop.

    Maybe there’s a whole community of it that I only just now poisoned my algorithm enough to see, but this is the first Scary China Picture Video I’ve seen which mashes up these specific things in an internally-coherent way. Every other Geopolitics Guy on my youtube feed who wants to differentiate himself just wears a suit in their bedroom. This is like the first time I saw Qanon, within a few days of it appearing on reddit, and thought it was neat that so many toxic trends were converging into one thing meant to hypnotise a stupid person.