Even if it’s made in the US, many of the raw materials aren’t, so the tariffs don’t even help US businesses.

You’re not being forced to replace anything. The thermostats still operate as thermostats. You just can’t use their cloud service.

Because you have to pay developers to maintain it. Developers are expensive. At some point it doesn’t make sense to keep doing that, so products are end of lifed.

You’re more than welcome to attempt to flash a custom firmware on it, though. I’m sure there are devs working on it.

Also, that 20 year old computer is running a general purpose OS that is designed to work on just about any system. The OS on a smart device, especially one from 2014, is heavily customized

Working as well and being secure are two different things. Smart devices are computers that connect to the Internet, and devices that no longer receive security updates are attack vectors.

From a SecOps standpoint, it’s perfectly reasonable to block such devices from hitting your servers.

These thermostats still work as thermostats, you just can’t use the cloud service.

The devices can still be used locally without issues. They’re not bricking the devices; you just can’t use their cloud service with them.

Your current thermostat isn’t a computer that connects to the Internet, is it?

The thermostats still work locally.

No, it’s a computer that controls relays. Computers that connect to the Internet need security updates to not be attack vectors. Blocking insecure devices from connecting to your servers is good security.

The devices aren’t bricks. They still function as thermostats. You just can’t use their cloud service with them.

And? If your device is no longer receiving security updates, it’s perfectly reasonable to not allow it to access your servers.

Devices that connect to the Internet need continuous updates to not become vulnerable to attacks. At some point it’s perfectly reasonable to end of life a product, and I think over a decade of supporting a computer is reasonable.

Also, they aren’t bricking these thermostats. You can still use them locally.

No, it’s a computer that runs a thermostat.

And you generally don’t allow devices that aren’t receiving security updates to continue accessing servers.

I do agree with making them open source it, though.

But they also aren’t bricking the devices. They still work as thermostats.

The devices can still be controlled locally, just run homeassistant (which everyone should be doing).

Dude, they’re 11 years old.

Edit: These are not ‘just thermostats’. These are computers that are meant to connect to the Internet. 11 years of support for a computer is a long time.

When a computer’s support reaches EoL, it’s no longer secure. You don’t want devices that are vulnerable to connect to your servers, so from a SecOps standpoint blocking their access makes sense.

It’s not like these thermostats are going to be useless. You can still use them as thermostats, just not with the cloud service.

But I get it. Any logic or reason that disagrees with the hive mind craving to hate literally anything a company does will get downvoted to hell.

I mean, no company is going to support a product indefinitely. The first nests are 11 years old.

Alright, I’m done indulging your stupidity.

We can play what-if all day long, but that doesn’t make it true.

The government launching a propaganda campaign to keep undesirables out of the country sounds pretty fascist to me.

The fact that the government is doing it makes it more than garden variety racism.

I can’t tell for sure if this is a supporting comment, or if it’s sarcastically pointing out that Trump was elected.

On the off chance that it is sarcasm, what I meant was that the people have no democratic process to remove elected officials from power.

I’m taking things a step further and building a HAL9000 system for my house. This time with 15% less mental illness.

There’s that pesky reading comprehension again.

No one but the TLC was supporting corporate ownership of residential property.

What the actual fuck are you talking about?