I thought I did apologize though. I said that I still would’ve preferred if I wasn’t banned, but I understood why a ban had been levied against me. I guess I didn’t get that across well enough then

Don’t know if this is the right place to post this

No, they would not. That is something a more socially oriented government would do, capitalists have no interest in employing everyone and anyone. It goes against their interests

That’s not how that works

Glass half full or half empty is the question here. Hexbear is usually really nice and I didn’t expect my post to be received the way it was. I understand the original post was bad, but I wish is would’ve been given a bit of a chance. I understand the mods choice, but I feel it was done out of misunderstanding. I didn’t portray my views properly at all leading to people to think I was saying things I really didn’t mean to. I improved on it here and could’ve done better still as I find myself in the replies here. Don’t wanna drag you into a long argument, don’t feel obliged to respond

I’m sorry for bothering you and others on Hexbear and lg. I hoped I would be able to have a conversation with the people there, I very much should’ve not posted that, it betrayed my views in the sense that it sucked at getting any of them across and created a lot of misunderstanding. No one got what I said, I tried to improve upon it here. I just wanted to defend myself and be able to get to an understanding, I am sorry if I failed on that. I see you’re being rather hostile and I just want you to know sorry I am asshole to you here. You do not need to respond anymore. I wouldn’t be keen on arguing with you all if I would’ve been turned into a punching bag for a day, then moved on.

I’m sorry I was not able to properly explain it to you, I’ll try to portray it better to you. I did not make it clear in my post on Hexbear and on here, so here is my more “developed” analysis:

I do not think anti-Semitism is present within the state. There is no analogue to the oppression of Black and Arab people’s around the world to be found here. Anti-Semitism exists within the individual, it does not in any meaningful way translate to state policy. Elon Musk is probably an anti-Semite, but his views haven’t been expressed through the use of state repression of Jewish communities. I drew an analogue to anti-white racism here, as in, like in this instance. You can say derogatory things about white men, whiteness, but extrapolating that to mean there is institutionalised repression of white people is false.

My main argument here, that I failed to properly portray in the post on Hexbear and which I probably could’ve expanded on further here, is that anti-Semitism does not take the form of state repression. Anti-Semitism exists in the same sense that anti-white racism exists. There may be some who genuinely don’t like white people, though that does not translate in any meaningful way into the machinations of the state. There is no institutionalised anti-white sentiment, same applies to Jewish people. This is not me saying anti-Semitism doesn’t exist, it does. People do call Jews bad things, slurs, or otherwise. But racism, more generally, is not individual incidents of hate crimes, it is the wielding of state power to repress one group or another, a group which is made to be racially inferior.

I wouldn’t want it to be a sticking point myself. I am trying to, in some vain hope of being unbanned, explain myself properly. I would’ve liked if I was just made a punching bag in the posts comments, then moved on, but I was banned and now I feel the need to defend myself.

Get over yourself

I have not said anything hostile about anyone here, not you, not anyone.To belittle me instead of responding in a meaningful way, handwaving at some abstract anti-Semitic aura you sensed, is not gonna make me understand what I did wrong, why I deserved a ban.

I’ve explained it already, but @askchapo is specifically made to discuss things. Not to mention the entire idea of an internet forum, generally, is to discuss things! So it is not ridiculous to expect to be allowed to discuss things, instead of just being banned with less than a sentence of reasoning.

It’s called @askchapo. If discussion is not something that is wished there, they should rename it to something else. Someone might reasonably misunderstand, ask the wrong question, then get banned and not learn anything.

Jewish people are not oppressed, that is a fact. Xenophobia exists, yes. Institutionalised anti-Semitism does not exist. If your view of oppression is insults that do not translate into state repression, then white people are also oppressed.

Also, as much as I don’t want to indulge in your attempt to make this some interpersonal drama, I feel like I need to defend myself here. The post you referenced as evidence for me not doing real life activism was literally me asking for help in finding outlets for activism. There are no real organisations here, besides the one pro-Pal org. I’ve been to one of their meetings, though they mostly do film screenings and such, not protests or anything like that. They occasionally do, just I haven’t know of them for that long to have gone to them earlier. I do not have the capacity to start a communist party all on my own, that was the whole point of the post. I was looking for answers on how to get to the point at which I could do that, or participate in something like that. I was looking for ways to build contacts and such You clearly extrapolated a lot without really reading through the post(s).

Sorry, but searching through a person’s posts to smear them isn’t a nice thing to do. What you pointed out was completely irrelevant to the topic of the post. I am not entitled to people’s time, but a forum specifically advertised as a place to discuss things should allow you to talk about things without being banned. What is the point of an @askchapo forum if you can’t ask things?

It sucks in without the context I provided here. It was, as I said here, made in the context of liberal Zionist, regular Zionist and “pro-Palestinian” people unnecessarily centering anti-Semitism when it is, realistically, fringe

I don’t get how what I said is anti-Semitic. I argue that anti-Semitism is not prominent in society, Jewish people are not at threat of being lynched. The constant need to explain that you’re not an anti-Semite is needless. You wouldn’t need to couch anti-Nazi sentiment in the 40s with listing off a bunch of reasons why you aren’t anti-German. It’s unnecessary and plays into Jewish exceptionalism and Zionism at large.

I don’t have much of a problem with the rest of your post, but this part tickles me the wrong way. I don’t know if you worded it wrong, or something. But it comes off as genocide apologia.

That’s why I don’t hold it against Jews (or anyone for that matter) that believe in dumb/bigoted ideas. EVERY group of people has done that, no one is unique.

That’s the thing, if you support a genocide, you should very much have it held against you. It’s not okay to be a Zionist. It’s not a matter of “shit happens”, like you’ve made it out to be here. Just because, apparently, every other group has perpetrated a Holocaust, doesn’t make it okay.

The fact that a majority of Jewish people still support the modern Holocaust is not “bullshit pulled from thin air”. Nothing I said was counter factual.

Again, I struggle to understand which exact part is conflating Judaism and Zionism. You’d do well to point out which part is problematic here. I’m sure I am repeating myself, but I really want to get it across, I did not expect to get banned for a poorly formatted post. There should’ve been some form of discussion, as the name @askchapo implies there will be.

How am I supposed to do self crit if I am not even allowed to hear counter arguments, respond to them, and generally just discuss my views?

What is the point of an internet forum, one named @askchapo, if not to discuss things? My post was, as I’ve already mentioned in another reply here, not much if a question. Though still I put it in @askchapo. Why? Because I felt I wanted to share my views, talk about them. I know my post was not the best, to say the least. It was because I was expecting to be able to discuss it openly and further develop them. A forum named @askchapo should allow you, through conversation, to correct your views rather than banning you

Again, I do not want to be callous, but consider my analogy again. Would you not find it off-putting if, during the 1940s, you heard people center the conversation on whether or not anti-German sentiment was too wide spread? You would not be an anti-German xenophobe for intervening, to say so is ridiculous.

Also, I find it very disingenuous of you to try and psycho analyse me here. It has nothing to do with what I am saying here, and comes off wrong. Would you enjoy me going through your posts, to try and find something I can use against you? It wouldn’t be very nice, I am sure you agree.

It is, I know. I made the post in a rush, I wasn’t able to properly convey my views. I wasn’t expecting to be at risk of being banned for what I was saying, so I didn’t at all try to format it properly. It was more of a rant than anything. The main issue I have is that I wish I was given a chance to properly try to convey how I was annoyed at the centering of anti-Semitism and it’s over-exaggerated presence in society. I should’ve been more careful in my wording as it Is obviously a sensitive subject considering recent history, but I wish I was given a chance to actually talk about it. It’s the reason I posted it on @askchapo even though it really wasn’t a question, I wanted to discuss it

I’m sorry if this is not the appropriate place for this. I was not able to respond in depth on Hexbear, for obvious reasons, so I thought this was the next best place.

You can feel free to push back on anything I said.

I get that anti-Semitism leads back to right-wing fascist ideologies, but that’s not what the so-called anti-anti-Semites ever really mean