You’re not wrong on that last point actually haha. Seems like 20 years since a PM didn’t get knifed in the back and actually completed a term!

That the view is also held by “neo Nazis” does not mean it is a neo-Nazi view. If neo-Nazis believe the earth is round does that make anyone that thinks the earth is round a neo-Nazi? No.

I have no tolerance for Nazis. Not every belief that a Nazi holds is an offensive belief, as I just showed. Saying that a welcome to country at the Anzac ceremony is disrespectful to the ANZACs who fought and died for this country is NOT a Nazi belief. That’s absolutely ridiculous.

Where’s this list of neo-Nazi beliefs btw? I was going to make a thread on the NRL channel about how the season and teams are looking so far, but I think I’d better check what the official Neo-Nazi position is on the Broncos performances before I do. I wonder if the neo-Nazis believe that the instant sin-bin for high shots is ruining games regularly, because if so I’d better not say that one, wouldn’t want to be banned for holding a neo-Nazi belief. Which hot chips do the neo-Nazis believe are the best? I’m a red rooster kinda guy, but I don’t want to be a neo-Nazi if that’s what their official position is as well.

Revoking my mod permission over this is beyond an abuse of power. Ban away.

A heckler was. Singular. He wasn’t the only one, and he definitely isn’t the only one who found it incredibly disrespectful and insulting. One person doing X being a Y does not make everyone doing X a Y.

At another Anzac ceremony the self proclaimed “tolerant” people were shouting “free Palestine”. What are your thoughts on that?

Also this “the ABC understands a group of far right were present” thing is just typical media garbage, unverified and put there purely to stoke the outrage flames from their target audience. Also they likely consider anyone who voted “no” to the voice “far right”, so it’s a meaningless biased comment made to get a reaction.

Why do we need to acknowledge the “traditional owners” at every football match or work training seminar exactly? The company I work at spends an insane amount of money paying for AoC/WtC dozens of times per week. It’s beyond ridiculous.

There is no need to ever be welcomed or acknowledge it more than once. It’s turned into a massive financial grift.

And no matter what you say, constantly having to be “welcomed“ to the place that we were born, our parents were born, and their parents were born, absolutely is being treated as if we don’t belong here and need their permission.

Again - what need is there for me to be “welcomed” to the city I was born and grew up in even once a month? Why do I have to regularly acknowledge that people lived here before me? I’m not where I am because of anything they did.

Ah yes, the classic talking points of….checks notes…. saying the conservative partys policies are bad. Interesting take. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that you disagree that immigration is a factor in the housing crisis, right?

The deductible interest idea is actually a good idea, not just for first home buyers but for all mortgages. It massively helps ease cost of living pressure that is brought on by interest rates on housing. Many countries already do this btw.

Home ownership doesn’t attract obscene tax benefits.

You know what is an absurd tax? Land tax, which you’re advocating for making a standard and increasing.

Let me guess - you think communism works, it just hasn’t been done properly yet?

Land tax doesn’t address those things. Land tax is a constant tax on something you already own. Land tax harms every home owner, including the poorest of them. That should never have even been allowed, let alone have anyone advocating for it to be expanded. Being low compliance and broad based doesn’t mean it’s right.

It should not cost $28k in fees to then buy a fully compliant off the shelf tiny home. It has absolutely nothing to do with maintaining living standards. 28k in application fees makes it an expensive exercise, sometimes doubling the cost of the dwelling you want to put there. That is absolutely absurd.

The best solutions are to stop foreign ownership completely, massively cut immigration temporarily (importing a million people a year when we have a housing supply crisis is literally pouring fuel on the fire), limit how many properties someone can own, remove negative gearing, and slash lots of red tape and costs associated with building multiple homes on peoples land.

Annual land tax should not be a thing. You bought it, it’s yours. Paying a “land tax” forever means you’re just renting the land with extra steps.

As you touched on, they need to completely rewrite the book on tiny homes etc. I want to build a granny flat/tiny home on my property to move my parents in to and sell their house. To do so, my council charges something stupid like $28k in non refundable application fees. I could pay $28k to apply to build a granny flat and they deny it and keep all that money. That is absurd. I’m trying to get a property sold and re-house my parents onto my land, and the council is telling me to get fucked, basically.

Of the 2, the LNPs tax deductible interest is the much better plan. It definitely could help, but it does nothing to make housing for affordable.

The ALP plan also does nothing to make houses affordable.

Both parties are trying to maintain the housing markets perpetually increasing prices because if the bubble were to burst it would be catastrophic. It’s getting to catastrophic levels if it doesn’t burst though, but wealthy politicians who own multiple homes and are set for life don’t care about this type of catastrophe, only the former one.

Interesting that in an article about issues with housing supply there is no mention of the unsustainable population increase via record levels of immigration.

It’s just not necessary in my and many other people’s opinion, especially to do every day or at every single event. It is especially not necessary at an ANZAC ceremony that is about remembering the ultimate sacrifice that those men and women made fighting for this country - our country.

Doing it every day at things like daycare is a whole other issue. While you say it teaches respect, it can be argued that it is furthering racial divide, instilling into people who’s families have lived here for hundreds of years that it’s not their country and that they need to ask for permission to be here.

It’s becoming more and more divisive precisely because it is being pushed and pushed and pushed in ever increasing numbers. Next it’ll have to be performed every morning at every McDonald’s when they open. After the “voice” referendum was voted down in a significant way, it seems the losing side has doubled down on trying to push through their agenda that was clearly not popular, and people are rightly getting fed up.

It’s definitely not misinformation, and Wikipedia is not a source. Try again, this time with an actual argument instead of essentially “nuh uh”.

If you’re going to make claims of “misinformation” you need to elaborate.

Typical media hit job ignoring the point being made.

That model being discontinued doesn’t change or even dispute the fact that the updated fuel efficiency standard would raise car prices. What’s worse, and why more and more people are ignoring the mainstream media, is that they don’t even try to address the actual point because they know it’s true. This is a common deflection tactic.

Dutton is quite possibly the very worst candidate that the LNP could have chosen. This election was essentially un-losable for the LNP. A slam dunk without having to lift a finger. They could just have answered every question with “do you want another 3 years of this ALP government?” and it people would vote for them.

Instead they’ve completely botched almost every single thing about it to the point where the ALP and the greens are likely going to strengthen their positions despite being one of the worst governments in recent history.

The biggest issue with this is that people that think like this tend to throw accusations like “neo-Nazi” out like lollies, at everyone that they disagree with about on certain things that are in no way “nazi-esque”.

Disliking the “welcome to country” does not make you a neo-Nazi. It is a divisive thing. It’s not some centuries old tradition, it was invented by Ernie Dingo in like the 90s. Many, many people think it’s completely pointless and irrelevant, and they’re entitled to that opinion just like you’re entitled to your opinion that it makes them racist. It doesn’t mean you’re automatically right and they’re wrong though.

In this specific situation - welcome to country at an ANZAC day ceremony - it is extremely debatable about its use. The ANZACs, 99% of who were white non-indigenous people, died defending this country. “Welcoming” their relatives to the very country is rightly seen as incredibly disrespectful by many. Without those ANZACs giving their life to defend this country that is being claimed is not theirs, the aboriginals might have been eradicated off the face of the earth.

Saying this is not racist. It’s not “neo-Nazi” views. You claim it is as an excuse to be intolerant towards those people. No matter how you try to sugar coat it, you are being intolerant.

You’re installing an operating system though, that’s irrelevant. You’re telling me the people that want their laptop to come with no OS because they want to install their favourite version of Linux because they’re “l33t haxors” can’t tell the difference between broken hardware and incompatible drivers? And they’re installing Linux? Where drivers are one of the biggest issues?

Why can’t you?

You think big corporations are just letting everyone work on their personal devices because Covid happened? Lol. Tell me you’ve never worked in a decently sized business without telling me.

Office365 still has local installs you pencil. That’s the version almost everyone uses. It’s more feature rich, more performant, and significantly easier to do integrations with other programs. You clearly have never had anything to do with this space. I have, and I can tell you that you’re very, very wrong. Covid just changed where people work from, not what devices they worked from - and even then, most big businesses have returned most of their employees to the office.

The kind of businesses that just use a machine with a browser are non-technical ones. They’re customer care, they’re assistants, etc. BA’s, QA’s, Project Managers, devs, systems, dba’s, finance, etc all use powerful devices with local installs of software.

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Since the pandemic? Huh? You think everyone switched to web apps since the pandemic? Based on what and why?

Seriously, I’m struggling to understand what out of what we’re talking about has anything to do with the pandemic lol

Which arguments stopped being true last decade?