Polish Communist. My other account: TrueStalinistPatriot@hexbear.net
“The point is that Russia’s intervention, by weakening NATO, is creating global conditions under which socialist revolutions will have an easier time happening and will have more room to breathe” just like any other inter-capitalist war would (like the WWI)
Stalin talks about national struggles not inter-national struggles. While yes a bourgeois movement can be anti-imperialist it also has to be fighting for the sovereignty of its own country not for foreign soil.
While this war produces some anti-imperialist outcomes, they’re only a secondary effect caused by the nature of inter-imperialist wars where both imperialist sides weaken eachother.
The core nature of this war is only anti-imperialist as far as the class conscious proletariat of each side fights against the imperialist aims of its own state (and their hegemons in the case of Ukraine).
Russia is not waging this war to free Ukrainian people from capital and imperialism as it might claim (if so why is Russia not fighting capitalism within itself?). It’s waging this war to extend the sphere of influence of its own bourgeoisie, hence it’s imperialist despite the side effects
Every war waged between capitalist states (with the exception of national liberatory struggle) is an imperialist war. Funnily enough applying Stalin’s ideas in Foundations of Leninism to the current situation makes the Ukrainian population opposing both western and eastern imperialists the anti-imperialist forces in this war, even if they are influenced by bourgeois ideology (this of course excludes pro-nato (and nato funded…) elements)
Yes I did. You keep posting the same stuff proving western influence in Ukraine sure this is true yet you still fail to respond to my point that Russia is not representing any form of a proletarian struggle against bourgeois influence. Yes it struggles against western bourgeois influence BUT it does that by replacing it with IT’S OWN bourgeois influence! What does it have to do with anything anti imperialist (which means opposition to EVERY foreign bourgeoisie)?
Russia can both oppose western imperialism and be imperialist itself is it too hard to comprehend?
Napoleon was both a monarch and subjugated other monarchies. Just because he overthrew european monarchies doesn’t mean he was anti-monarchy
Anti-european monarchy sure but not anti-monarchy in general
none of this justifies support for Russia
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1915/jul/26.htm
And the pathway to socialism will be built by Russian imperialism
At this point this is just “lesser evil-ism” comparable to the American elections (unless someone really believes that Russia is going to bring about socialism by blowing up NATO then I don’t even know what to say)
West is not a truthful/reliable source as you think it is.
You’re putting words in my mouth. Just because I don’t trust the Russian narrative doesn’t mean I trust the western narrative.
You keep looking down on our russian comrades with this other statement. What if I told you that Russia has way more probability to become socialist again than the whole European countries(that are actively rushing into fascism)?
It is better to take a step back on your contempt and investigate what russian comrades have achieved so far.
So your whole argument is that I’m supposed to support Russia because it has the possibility of turning socialist? How does that dismiss ANY of the arguments against this war denouncing it as imperialist?
Okay another argument is Ukrainian warcrimes (especially those against Donbass and part of the population that likes Russia). You obviously haven’t heard “two wrongs don’t make a right”
The Russian bourgeoisie has taken a contradictory stance with regard to the LDPR: on the one hand, it provided military and economic aid to the Donbass republics, but on the other hand, it did not politically recognize them and did not incorporate them into the Russian Federation like Crimea, but went to recognize the legitimacy of the pro-fascist Turchinov-Poroshenko-Zelensky puppet regime and signed the Minsk agreements with this regime. This did not bring peace to the LDPR and made the war a latent state on the line of contact for eight years, allowing thus the Ukrainian government to create a strong and Nazi-motivated army that became a threat not only to the LDPR but also to Russia itself.
https://www.idcommunism.com/2022/07/union-of-communists-of-ukraine-on-war-and-the-tasks-of-the-working-class.html?m=1 This is a statement of one of the organizations that was banned by the Ukrainian government
Progressive for the Russian oligarchs which no longer will have to split their pie with Ukrainian oligarchs
Are you really using two accounts to “downvote” the comments you don’t agree with and upvote your own? lol
Might’ve been wrong to question myself there lol. Her argument revolves around “Well Russia was provoked so they’re actually fighting an anti imperialist war” and the predisposition you’ve to have in order to agree with her argument is that you believe most or at least a big part of the official Russian narrative.
Even if Russia really was provoked and is fighting for it’s own sovereignty (by invading another country? but ok) then it’s still a capitalist nation that’s preying upon the nostalgia of its Soviet past and it’s absolutely not becoming even slightly more communist by the day. Why should I care whether it’s the thirteen colonies or the British empire that wins the American civil war?
Stop clicking the down arrow button and answer my question
I don’t honestly recall that line, is that from when Jyotishman plays devil’s advocate?
I should’ve made it more clear. This is not a line from the discussion it’s my parody of the title
Edit: but after watching some of this video I guess I don’t really understand the whole of this war and where it really came from. I’ll have to learn more I guess
https://www.marxists.org/archive/pavlichenko/1942/10/x01.htm
“Every time my bullet fells a Nazi I have the feeling that I have saved lives. Any people who have had Nazis trampling over their land know that. For the Nazis kill children, women, old men. To let a Nazi remain alive in your land is to abet the murder of your own people. Only the dead Nazi can he trusted to leave the innocent unharmed. Every Hitlerite killed is a step forward on the road to the liberation of mankind.”
As far as I know this is the original quote I don’t know where the one in the post comes from. But in essence these two are exactly the same
These damn leftist turned Antifa into “abandon Hitler and the SPD” against anti-fascists wishes
Lenin, party, peace
“is a capitalist state trying to subordinate another capitalist state an anti capitalist state effort?” What
“extremism on gender/race/migration” they’re going to shot themselves!? ALHAMDULILLAH!!
“Marxism plus Leninism” makes it sound like a trot
Since when does Orthodox Marxism-Leninism mean operating a market economy? Since when does it mean having billionaires? Since when does it mean having private ownership of the means of production? Since when does it mean having the landlord class?
https://www.theredspectre.com/against-dengism
While China is obviously not as bad as the US or European social democracies it neither is a socialist state nor even a dictatorship of the proletariat (capital seeks to control every state it’s operating under!) how can you speak of a dictatorship of the working class when the CPC has bourgeois members within it?
Israel would nuke them without a second thought if they had the chance…
But on the other hand fuck UAE on their own. Don’t they have slaves to this day?
The October revolution happened exactly because Lenin was against the WWI “During a reactionary war a revolutionary class cannot but desire the defeat of its government.” He saw the opportunity it created for social change and took it. The first thing the soviets did when they came to power was leaving the war
This absolutely doesn’t mean that WWI was a revolutionary war or an anti-imperialist war