Are you for real? Trying to ping an admin in attempt to get a user banned because they are not it in complete alignment with your views?

This is childish behaviour.

If the US had true gumption, they would be testing their hypersonic missiles via launches out of Ukraine aimed at high value russian military targets, with a pretend excuse that it was actually Ukraine launching the missile.

I can guarantee you most of Ukraine would support this (I live in Ukraine) and the “red line” bla bla is just westerners falling prey to russian foreign propaganda initiatives.

Corrupt American oligarch thinks he can deal with incredibly complex issues just because he’s been able to run scams in the US for a few decade (a country which is arguably one of the most friendly places for oligarchs in the world, some smaller exceptions notwithstanding).

How could you have thought that was true? It would be impossible for me to think that as there is documented evidence to the contrary.

At any rate, do you have something concrete to say or where you just being pedantic about “all russians” verses “At the very least a strong majority of russians…?”

On one hand I agree with you as I know several russians who are capable of good faith.

One could say:

At the very least a strong majority of russians, and more likely an overwhelming majority, are incapable of good faith thinking/negotiations with respect to geopolitics. Even many allegedly opposition-minded “liberal” russians such as Navalniy and his movements has shown support for the annexation of Crimea and denied the genocidal atrocities committed by russians in Chechnya in the 90s.

I will note that your statement is factually false:

I believe you mean Russian heads of government and military [are incapable of good faith negotiations].

This is basically white washing russian genocidal imperialism.

Again, do you have something concrete to back up the above-mentioned viewed? Surely it should go both ways?

Let’s leave the role of the US alone for now. I was just sharing my perspective in context or recent developments.

I can see how the term degeneracy could be seen as loaded in the US context.

But then my question would be, how would you describe Rogan’s behaviour and the fact that this particular act had zero impact on Rogan’s popularity? One could say that at the very least his following (and he is one of the largest media personalities in his home country) is tolerant of such acts.

I would even go as far as saying that in other cultures even conservatives would share my views about the regressive nature of Rogan’s behaviour and the tolerance of his following for such antics.

Okay, how can you get more to join your side. If you don’t have discussions with other people? You can’t. Have fun in your echo chamber.

I am actually on your side with respect to full on defederation being too much in this case, but this is a comically naive take.

There are many situations were “debate club” is not an efficient way forward.

It might be worth leaving your own regional echo chamber and getting more real world experience.

I started reading the article and I was curious what the context was and who was involved.

I was shocked to hear that it was Douglas Murray who got into a conflict with Rogan. Murray out of all people (I am aware of his chauvinism due to some other stuff).

What really struck me about this article was this:

Nine days and five shows later, Rogan hosted Tim Dillon, another anti-woke comic, and together they impersonated Murray’s voice like middle schoolers at a sleepover. (“You haven’t beeeeen?”)

I am not American, but I have lived there and travelled extensively. I have close friends who live there (both locals and immigrants from a very young age).

I would always defend the US as a force for good in the democratic world (albeit a very flawed one) and highlight that compared to other major powers (russia, china), the US has been involved in a very good outcomes (post WW2 Germany/Japan, Poland and the Baltic nations after the breakup of the USSR).

With the reelection of Trump, I am starting to wonder if this well ever be possible again (from my perspective Trump is a symptom, not a cause).

But Rogan’s behaviour is an example of degeneracy. True degeneracy. Not degenerate as a random insult or say the term “degenerate gambler”, but the actual term like in the dictionary. A regressive, undesirable behaviour that is an affront to the development of human society. And this is perhaps the largest media personality in the US.

It’s going to be very difficult for sane Americans to root out such degeneracy. And there are unfortunately (in my opinion) certain negative elements of American culture that are going to reinforce such behaviour. It will require novel approaches that I don’t believe Americans have the capability to explore (I hope I am wrong).

Have to disagree with you on this one, with the clarification that I am refering to matters of geopolitics. What you are implying doesn’t align with factual research and well, historical fact (do not forget that the russians occupied Moldova as far back as the early 90s, putin was no where near power back then).

Happy to share; there are some really interesting approaches that lay bare the childishness of typical arguments on this topic. “How can you do polling in a country like russia, they are all afraid!” Turns out professionals in this sphere do have methods. 😀

But I am curious if you have something more concrete that you wanted to expand on with respect to what you are saying or if this just a general thought on your part.

As I mentioned I am not into the nottheonion community/concept, so maybe I don’t know what I am talking about, but intuitively (for me) your line of thought does seem a bit conspirational. No disrespect, just sharing what’s coming to my mind.

Maybe the mods thought that Trump’s behaviour is already a norm, so there is a lack of comedy so to speak?

Btw, it’s not my intention to defend the mods, never been to that community and it’s not really my cup of tea.

I personally prefer a low touch approach to moderation, but I would also never mod a political community outside of some very specific cases.

Maybe I don’t understand the concept of notheonion (although I thought did), but I didn’t really understand how most what you wrote aligns with the removal your article (which I think wasn’t justified).

The LLM article in particular seems to fit with the nottheonion concept, no?

I am genuinely curious.

[1] also seems to be not particularly relevant w.r.t. the removal of your article? Dumb tankie who probably doesn’t even speak russian making claims about russia and NATO, seems reasonable to tell the individual to GTFO, no?

Exactly.

Agreed, but do you really need knowledge of political philosophy to do that?

The impression I got from living in the US is that it’s not so much a problem with identification, but more like a desire to avoid rather uncomfortable topics.

I don’t know, maybe I just don’t get it. I will admit that I could be wrong, I am just thinking out loud based on my experiences. 😀

See, I don’t you need know anything about political philosophy to understand how oligarchs function and to well, identify oligarchs.

Don’t play dumb.

You tell someone “Fuck off, loser!” and you expect them to bow down to you? Fuck right off.

Do you behave like this in real life too? Or are you just acting out online?

It’s this toxic mix of ignorance, arrogance and cowardice is why you are dealing with Trump in your country.

Fuck off man. You are a lazy, cowardly American.

You don’t even speak russian or Ukrainian. You wouldn’t be able to outline 3 simple bullet points about key developments in say 1930s USSR if your life depended on it.

And you are going to lecture me with your bullshit?

Stick to losing to Trump and his proto-fascists. That’s all you’re good for!

Russians won’t go with this. They think can gain full control of the four heavily occupied regions.

Russians are incapable of good faith negotiations. To deal with them you need to be able to show that you are willing and able to use violence against them.

If you think I am wrong, show me a recent example of good faith actions from russians in the foreign policy sphere since the creation of the modern variant of the russian empire.

It’s almost like she is insulting her fellow citizens.

The implication that I see (based on her statement) is that other people in her country lack the capability to comprehend the notion of oligarchy or they are too corrupt themselves to support anti-corruption reform.

Thank you for proving my point about you not having any arguments.

You come up with some end of the world scenario, fail to distinguish between genocidal imperialism and suicidal behaviour and then act all high and mighty.

Get the fuck out of here you little shit.

I have. Look at the ~100 earlier examples of red lines and nuclear sabre rattling by the russians.

You have provided zero evidence for your arguement beyond “trust me bro”.

Be clear and specific in your arguments. How is being a genocidal imperialist (taking more land and destroying local culture) the same thing as being suicidal?

Let me ask you this. Do you speak russian? Have you ever lived there?