By the way they aint even dunking on china that much they are making very sensical criticisms. like how capitalist spain and italy, by trying to hijack the efforts of the flotilla, are still doing more than china has ever done (which is nothing btw). And for stating that china is profiteering from this genocide and therefore is complicit I got perma’d from the deprogram sub on reddit before it got nuked. My comment got like 30 upvotes too so even the dengists agreed.

I find it crazy that they will ban people for the most childish, petty, stupid shit

Yeah. Dengists do seem to ban people for the pettiest shit.

Bro wht are you yappin about they have the most based takes i have seen

“Ultra is already becoming the new “tankie”, nothing is more harmful to leftist agitations than crypto-trotskyists spewing intellectualized terms into the mainstream.” Lmao its so trueeee. Like you quote Lenin at a dengist who calls you a fucking ultra like grow the fuck up my guy I have talked to many ultras (esp on r*ddit) and they are FUCKING INSUFFERABLE just please do not use slurs like “ultra” at people its very tiring.

Oh my god what is going on has the psyop succeeded? Has the western MLs been fully infiltrated by chinese/russian bots the same way ultras/most anarchists got destroyed by the western lib-bots?

I’m interested in your perspective regarding what these organisational efforts are missing.

Uhhh the fact that vegans consider bees thinking feeling individuals and no amount of brainwashing will make anyone this stupid?

As ML’s we are trying to convince people that the rich, who are leeching off of the peoples work, dont deserve the wealth they have (which is a very common sense position). Yet people do not want to side with us. Just imagine trying to get them to agree bees are individuals and that they matter.

Unfortunately for vegans there will be no organised effort to lead veganism to success until there is a way to create cheap meat/milk etc without killing animals for it. Organised effort doesnt mean a few thousand people in a community harrassing people or breaking into factories, it means a majority who will impose their will over a minority. In this case vegans fighting (over bees and cows mind you) normal people to take their rights to consume animal products which is a huge part of our nature.

This is what separates liberal thinking which believes that a few hundred vegans in a city are going to make a change with their individual efforts, with Marxist Leninist thinking which argues that for change to be made the majority must not only want change but also must be willing to fight over it to impose their will on the weaker minority.

I am being sarcastic. Being pro russia is the least leninist thing you can possibly be.

Ye it is about counter revolutionaries alright

I can post these now cuz ik the community wont get nuked (came from r*ddit)

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Do you consider veganism an organised effort? Cuz i aint seeing any vegan org actually put a dent in the meat industry where i live. Boycot is not just pausing the consumption of meat there also needs to also be systemic effort.

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Das lied vom Kompromiss by Ernst Busch is a goofy ass song.

Yeah the fact that its a boycot is the problem. Its liberal individualist thinking.

Same argument as before “I’m one person I can’t make a difference” - 1 billion people not making a difference Oh god i thought this site was lib free but here we are. No i am not voting with my pocket. Yes i will not even be noticed it i were to boycot nor will the 60-70 muslim grammas ever change their mind even if the best vegan debatebro talked at them for hours

Wdym they wouldnt be alive if Stalin didnt exist? They wouldnt have to see brown people on the street when they travel to low income areas of their country!! They would have a United States of Europe! Given to them by God who sent all the sinful creatures previously living there to eternal punishment (for being slavic or brown or gay), and left the white man the beautiful land! They would be working 14 hours a day 7 days a week but thats the price you have to pay for Freedom!!

Also I already said that without an organised boycotting effort no change can be done. Veganism is not very organised. For example in my small (very conservative) city if I were to go vegan I’d be the only one. The suppliers would not notice me not eating a dozen eggs and a few kilos of chicken/meat every month.

Yeah try getting 1 billion people to go vegan. The argument you are making is literally a libertarian “vote with your money” type of wrong.

I wish dude. I wish they werent real. But its worse to live in denial rather than accept the harsh truth that socdems/libs exist.

My problem with this thinking is enough people need to be vegan in a given community for the killing of animals to be reduced. Until enough people become vegan the killed animals would go in the trash. (For example) I believe coffee harvesting is unethical but I still consume coffee because I know my boycott efforts wont even be noticed by the bourgeois let alone lead to less slavery. What I know will make a difference is a socialist revolution which will hopefully eventually put an end to slavery. As long as there is capitalism the meat industry will live on and so will the supposed meat eater propaganda.

I have had so many arguments where I argued a common sense point and a trot or other revisionist argued i was wrong until I quoted Lenin. They care more about whoever is saying it rather than the argument itself.