Yeah I’m kind of seeing that. Well, maybe he’ll be able to defend his position this time

No. You’re wrong. Here’s a chart

As you can see almost all of our peaks are always around the liberals. The liberals almost unanimously add massive amounts to the debt

Worse the liberals usually leave things in such a mess that we have massive inflation that has to have massive increases in interest rates which makes the debt grow even faster and they just leave that for conservatives to deal with

So it would be you who is rewriting history and badly at that

Trudeau racked up debt and massively spiked inflation, mulroney put that down

Chretchen only reduced the deficit and debt by stealing 70 billion dollars from the unemployment insurance fund and left things a mess, harper scared us through the economic crisis

Justin Trudeau borrowed more money than every other prime minister before him and Carney is set to do the same

The only people who have had good ideas in the last 60 years have been conservatives. And Carney ran on conservative ideas now.

Sorry kid, you failed that one hard

Absolute nonsense. It was a conservative government that dealt with the massive debt left by the liberal governments under the first Trudeau the negotiated the original free trade deal that saved our asses at the time. It was a conservative government that moved from the hidden taxes to the GST which made things considerably better as well. It was a conservative government that wrote the banking act that saved us during the great recession while the American banking system collapsed.

And it was a later CPC government that pulled a bunch of extremely unique and Innovative tricks to get us through the great recession largely unscathed compared to other countries. Tricks that Trudeau would later use but had never been used before.

The current conservative party is making dozens of extremely good suggestions that would radically change how things are: And Carney based his entire campaign off of other conservative suggestions

It would be more accurate to say that conservatives are the only party that proposes solutions. The liberal steal some of them and then fail to execute

Unfortunately doing what we want is not really an option. It’s not a question of whether or not we’re going to lose it becomes a question of whether or not we’re going to lose or we’re going to lose horribly and with disastrous consequences.

Trump is unlikely ever put the 50% tariff on us certainly not for anything time but he might very well put tariffs on us that are lower. And we simply couldn’t survive that. We might be able to diversify our economy in the next 20 years or so but not any time in the immediate future,

Future so at the end of the day we’re going to have to give him what he wants and get what we can get which is going to be terrible.

Carney played a strategy of string trump out to the midterms and hope that he loses badly at the midterms and in the meantime give him whatever he wants to drag things out. So we came down every thing from the bridge to the DST etc

But now trump thinks that carney will came on anything and he’s not going to wait till the midterms.

So now we’re in a tough position. We can’t walk away cuz if trump actually does put those tariffs on we’re dead. I mean really dead, like declare bankruptcy and live like Mexico dead

He’s doing that anyway. That doesn’t change. That’s what happens when you cave to him every time he asks for something like Carney has.

But he does tend to honor deals. He never ripped up kousma even though he slapped millions of other tariffs on us. CUSMA is still in force.

So no matter what happens if you have a deal the business community takes it as a certain degree of certainty and is willing to invest based on that. I guarantee you it is Infinitely more expensive to have no deal and no investments in Canada. It’s not even a question we simply couldn’t possibly survive it. We would become a third world country if investment keeps fleeing the way it has been for the last five quarters

I don’t know how much analysis this needs. He wants to try and get a deal with carney on terms that work for him and he’s threatening a new killer option if carney doesn’t give him what he wants. He wants to take the rest of the Canadian Auto sector and he wants to be able to dump dairy products into Canada. Until carney agrees to that there’s even going to be any negotiations and trump is going to hold this over Canada’s head until he figures he’s got to win

And the problem is every minute that this is in play guarantees no investment in Canada. Nobody’s putting a nickel into Canada until they find out what’s going on

That’s not much of a tactic. We simply can’t afford another two and a half years of this. And there’s a very real chance that the republicans will win again and no reason to believe that the next republican will be any nicer to us. I simply not a winning strategy

That’s not even remotely close. It’s not a massive deal at all. It will be a tiny fraction of the crude we sell America for example and an even tinier fraction of our trade. If Japan quadrupled that deal it still wouldn’t come remotely close to replacing 1% of what we’ve got going with the united states

And Japan’s own prime minister has said investment in canada is contingent on what the deal is with the us.

So no it’s not already happening. We may very well increase our trade with other countries but it’s not even going to cover a tenth of what we do with America, certainly not anytime soon. Maybe over the next 20 or 30 years we could build up relationships but even then it would be tough

I disagree entirely. Carney is entirely reactionary and has no plan for the long term.

Let’s take a look at some of the evidence. He had no plan whatsoever to arrive at a deal with trump. That is now obvious. There was no strategy or anything. He just gave trump what he wanted and hopes that trump would have mercy, and that’s just not trump.

He claimed that we would build houses at a rate not seen since world war II because he knew that’s what people wanted to hear at the time. But he had absolutely no plan to deal with that and worse not only are we building fewer homes than we were but his big strategy was to bail out the developers because they’re having their first bad year in almost two decades.

He claimed that he would create a law that would have private investment building pipelines in Canada. And his weirdo Tinkerbell law that said he can magically wave his wand and make something legal that isn’t legal didn’t impress the industry at all and was a horrible idea. Now in reaction to that he’s offering to put up taxpayer dollars to build a pipeline but he still hasn’t put forward any kind of business cases to why that’s the best idea for Canada. He’s only reacting to Alberta threatening to separate

I could go on for some time but the fact that matter is everything he does reacts to what’s happening at the moment and there is absolutely no long-term planning

And there’s no chance by the way of every other country in the world replacing America as our trading partner. The one thing he did say that was correct was that Canada could be its own trading partner if we eliminated interprovincial trade barriers and that would replace a good deal of what we send to the states. He said that was going to be one of his focuses and produced a report showing that it could almost entirely make up for what we lost with the Americans

Then he got elected and found out it was hard and abandoned the idea. He eliminated one federal law that really wasn’t a problem for anybody and then after one meeting with the provinces gave up and ran away. Now he’s flying all over the world spending billions of dollars and not bringing back any significant amount of money instead of spending that time working with the provinces to find a way to create an economic union between them that would solve our problems

Well timber can. Our timber industry is already getting creamed. They JUST shut down another pulp milll last week here in bc and logging is in a death spiral. Fertilizer less so but we’re not going to keep our economy going on fertilizer and oil.

And the problem isn’t just trump, we’ve had 5 consecutive quarters… that’s QUARTERS mind you not months, of more business investment leaving canada than staying and it looks like this quarter is going to be the same… And the kick in the teeth is that pre dates trump. We were already weak to begin with. Now trump has made it worse and he knows very well that it doesn’t take much at this point to make our economy take a nose dive.

This guy wants us poor and collapsing so that he can take over, actually take over if possible and financially take over if not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zttOoJwvi6A https://nationalnewswatch.com/2026/07/16/we-paid-for-the-bridge-now-were-paying-the-toll

I can post about a dozen more if you need to.

Turns out your no name influencer was wrong. The deal was leaked to boomberg and it does NOT include payment on the interest to the debt which carney had suggested, and it’s a worse deal for us than we had. Mark Carney caved And gave a better deal to the president instead of standing up for Canada. As he has done many times in the past.

Well I’m sure the Prime Minister appreciates you’re desperate efforts on his behalf to justify his actions against Canadian interests the facts are the facts

I don’t think you get how it works. The American stop buying our products and start looking for other products. But most importantly a lot of the goods and services that are manufactured in Canada only are able to do so because they sell to America so when Americans stop buying that product it’s cheaper and easier for those companies to just set up in America instead.

Trump knows this very well. More tariffs cripples are economy and prevents the investment we need to stay competitive or become competitive as we’ve fallen behind

This is just another excuse to try and bankrupt us to try and encourage us to become the 51st state

Do you think Carney’s going to do that? Carnie who’s giving trump everything he’s asked for so far and just caved on the Gordie Howe Bridge? Why do you think trump is doing this, he knows he can get whatever he wants at a Carney and look like a hero

This confirms my long held belief that hedgehogs would be fun at parties. They’d be like little mobile snack trays

Unfortunately due to the trade barriers we have between provinces it’s unlikely that it would be replaced by local consumption. In fact even if there were no trade barriers in Canada it would be tough but the way things are there’s no chance.

This was something carney talked about during the election and promised he would work on, he held one meeting with the provinces to see about coming to an agreement and then he just abandoned it. If he had spent as much time working with the provinces as he has with other countries we would probably be further ahead

The government has done nothing to move projects forward unfortunately. The closest that come is this supposed pipeline project but they’re now talking about using government money which completely defeats the purpose. We can’t borrow enough money to support an economy, sooner or later that leads to a collapse

Unless something radically changes in the near future as far as our direction we will face severe economic hardship and it will be extremely difficult to recover. We are not building maybe bill as he promised, we have not eliminated into provincial trade is he suggested, and our businesses are fleeing to the states along with our investment, I think we’re into our 6th street quarter of business investment loss in Canada having already completed five? That predates Trump and we can’t be losing business investment like that

We’re in real trouble. It’s not short-term trouble our infrastructure for providing economic growth is eroding at an enormous rate and it is insanely hard to replace that once it’s gone

Reading the comments I don’t think people understand what’s involved here.

The companies are moving to the states because that’s where the majority of their customers are. Which means it’s not viable for them to stay in Canada and only sell to Canadian markets.

Which means nobody’s going to be replacing these businesses. We’re talking about hundreds of thousands of jobs that will be lost with no replacement.

The state can’t nationalize them, the workers can’t take them over, they’re just not viable as businesses anymore.

And all those businesses and all the people that work for those businesses pay taxes. Which means we’re going to have less and less money to provide services the people who are poor etc

This isn’t about giving states our money, this is about us not having any money anymore. I think people need to wake up to the reality of how serious this is

There does seem to be a certain amount of that and some of the communities. I feel like people are too sensitive but I don’t want to say that too loudly or I might get banned

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The beings are finite but the wealth is not. I don’t know how to explain this more simply. If you fall into the ocean there’s only so much water you can drink so your ability is finite but from a practical point of view the water is infant.

This is extremely simple, the point is the limit is the person not the wealth

And no I’m just trying to find a way to explain it to you that will make it easier for you to get your head around. Honestly I’ve never had this kind of trouble explaining this concept to someone. My mother gets this.

Bottom line is that your lack of wealth is not because somebody else is hoarding wealth.