Wow, not sure this is going to end well… for the United States.

I hear you….

Written by a schizophrenic human

It’s not about a gotcha, it’s about addressing a real problem facing young men and boys, and it’s the reason they are turning to asshats like Tate.

Stop telling young men and boys they are toxic in front of their peers.

Also, please define toxic femininity

You say this is “cope”? I don’t know what that means

I’m giving you an upvote because I actually like this topic and you seem genuine, and also because I’m still always trying to learn more….

I actually had the same thought when I was typing my response about how teaching white kids about how our country (USA) was founded on slavery, the idea of “white guilt” edit (I couldn’t remember what it was called though)

But I don’t think it’s a fair comparison.

Black people are not 50% of the population, and are not…. In the same sense, forced to live here and also forced to deal with systemic oppression…. In the same way. (Edit: I’m saying black folks have gone through ten times worse than what “women” {or “men”} have gone through)

(Edit: CAN YOU SEE HOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ISSUES MEN AND BOYS ARE DEALING WITH, and trying to work through and discuss, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME THE ASSUMPTION IS THEY THEY ARE NOT THE VICTIMS BUT THE AGGRESSORS? This is why, to answer the question of the original post)

Like I said, I had the same thought about it.

I still think class is more fundamental. I think race sex class issues are not equal. I think that maybe, race and sex issues stem from the class issues. Still trying to figure it out though, I’m not the end all be all of arbiter of how things are…. Okay, I might be but I don’t make any assumptions about it or rub it in anyones’ faces or anything like that…. 👀

I have to feed my dogs though before I can respond to the rest one sec

Edit: so the first point about we are not teaching kids (young men and boys) they are toxic?

I would argue that teaching them about toxic masculinity without having any reference or ever having used the word positive masculinity before, that yes, we are indeed teaching our young men and boys that they are toxic.

And for your last point… oh come on now there’s appropriate times for acting like Dirty Harry, especially if you can make jokes in stressful situations……

Edit: the more I think about the comparison to white guilt argument is it reminds me of everything I understand about intersectionality…. I think my main complaint is that teaching young people graduate level race and gender theories without all the prerequisite understandings needed to take those courses, we are leaving our kids to tell each other to check their privilege and writing off anyone who disagrees with us, which in elementary school means writing off the guy who made fun of your mother for being so fat or skinny or so dumb she sits on the television to watch the couch.

Toxic masculinity and privilege are systemic issues, not issues related to whether bully Johnie gave me a wedgie or not. (Although it could be I suppose 🤷‍♂️)

Done except for grammar etc sorry for so many edits

I honestly believe that teaching young people about the academic ideas of toxic masculinity has contributed to this problem. We are telling young boys and men (who don’t even know what masculinity even is yet) that men are toxic.

It’s dumb. It’s not like we are teaching what non toxic femininity or non toxic masculinity is or even what it looks like, we’re just telling them that men are toxic rapists. It’s ridiculous.

I get it, like maybe in the context of a sex education class, teach kids what consent looks like, but teaching kids about academic ideas like the patriarchy and toxic masculinity just makes them feel like they were born with sin or something for being a sexual human being.

I don’t think our brains have caught up with our society lol…

I remember reading somewhere that in Nordic countries where the gender equality rates are highest in the world, women tend to take on More gender stereotypical jobs and roles than they do in less gender equal countries, even though they generally have more opportunities to do whatever they want compared to other less equal countries.

There are billions of us on this planet and none of us fit into that average cog, but I’m fairly certain that in general and among cis people men are attracted to traditionally “feminine” women and women are attracted to traditionally “masculine” men… obviously we are (hopefully) more enlightened as far as our acceptance of lgbtq and other non cis lifestyles etc, but part of what makes academic sociology so interesting is looking at stuff like this…

The main problem we all have is income inequity and the wealth gap.

For example, it’s a fact that when more people are covered by Medicaid and Medicare in a region, that region has lower crime, and the Medicare coverage is a better predictor of crime rates than police funding by a very large degree.

It’s also one of those things (I Imagine) that cliche… if you owe the bank 100$ that’s your problem if you owe the bank $100 million that’s the bank’s problem lol

Men and women basically make up 50% of the population each, more or less.

As long as we keep trying to blame society’s problem on one sex or the other, we’re never going to solve anything.

I personally think most problems in society, however, are more related to class than either gender or even race. If we can find a way to reduce income inequality (specifically between the rich and the poor) then I honestly think a lot of these issues would work themselves out naturally.

This.

The weird thing is that this weirdo has more money than it is even possible for him or us to comprehend.

He could lose 99% of his net worth and still be one of the richest men alive.

Yes Mr. Musk sir, your chips from 7-11 sir, on sale for only $10,000 sir. Yes sir, I’ll keep the change sir.

No, we aren’t actually

Israel is definitely an existential threat to the United States. They are trying their best to get us involved in multiple wars.

They also have congress and the presidency bought.

We are basically funding the genocide they are committing. Meanwhile, Israel has universal health care and lots of other social safety nets that American citizens do not.

A few years ago we had a problem with teenage girls in the bathroom. Basically made it unusable for most of the day.

Glad to say they have now graduated college and the problem worked itself out.

You forgot israel (AIPAC)

Yes, I was being facetious… that’s what the “no, wait” was meant to convey

(I was agreeing with you I should have used the /s thing but I assumed it was obvious for everything before the “no, wait”)

Pretty sure a lot of that guy’s audience is teenage boys.

There’s something he is speaking towards that resonates. This needs to be addressed with open mind and open heart. Calling them all pieces of shit and the other flavorful language you are using only serves to further entrench them in their beliefs.

Men and boys have real and genuine problems that need to be acknowledged and addressed. Some of these problems are perceived problems, others are factual and documented and proven.

I don’t think your strategy will be very successful.