it’s a cloud service. It gives you access to an api. It couldn’t care less about your GPU. Can be used on anything that is capable of internet connection. Specifically NIM has a max requests per minute restriction tho. Due to this, running ai agents on it would be a pain in the ass, but technically possible (still not as painful as local inference tho). And it still works fine for plain chats.

You got the first one wrong. It should be 5318008. You’re supposed to flip the calculator upside-down.

at this point, the only question is “What could possibly go right?”

IMO, the only good thing that came out of it (don’t laugh), is the annual thematic content on the light-green website

i guess my advice is misplaced, given the community name, but in case the goal is to get LLM inference for free, not necessarily a local one, you could try opencode (their free plan gives you access to some decent models), or nvidia’s NIM if you don’t want a vendor lock-in to any specific agent/chat app.

please buy some fruits and vegetables from time to time. Actually a lot of time. Different vegetables and fruit. Some nuts too. Eating the same meal every day is very unhealthy and can have very bad l andasting consequences for your health, especially in combination with stress (i know this from my personal experience of being poor and autistic unfortunately). And “hunger pains”? This is already very not ok.

Maybe start a gofundme campaign to at least temporarily somewhat mitigate the money problem? I’ll gladly send you a few bucks, if it helps you avoid what i got through.

safest != healthiest by any means tho.

You’re still establishing utility as “chief among equals.” I have already responded to this premise.

What? That you won’t eat a croissant made with forced child labor? You didn’t provide any reasoning why utility isn’t the objective primary characteristic.

The total value of something is the weighted sum of its individual value axis’ and those weights are derived from context.

Do you lack reading comprehension, because I repeat for the third time, you’re defining a subjective value, and i have no problem with that definition. I gave it in my previous response. Let me quote myself, since apparently you didn’t bother enough:

[…] there’s the order of importance of factors, which is, of course, subjective and highly-cotextual.

You can take average, weighted sum, product, whatever the fuck you’d like, the scalar you’d receive would still express the same characteristic, it being the subjective value of a given thing. Subjective and objective realities are two different things. You can’t say characteristic is objective if it involves the context of your personal limited perception and personal taste, developed through your individual, unique set of experiences.

I gave you the ad-absurdum example about water, and you still didn’t get it. Without something fulfilling the purpose of quenching the thirst there’s no use in how nice and well-done everything is. It’s the same with non-life-defining matters. Except even the line between what’s vital and non-vital itself is also individual.

The opposite of vital would be something like the fact that Linux doesn’t run games like Fortnite or Call of Duty, due to their invasive anti-cheats. Guess what, players of those games still won’t switch to Linux, precisely because it can’t fulfill its purpose for them, i.e. run the fucking game.

Regarding the claim that there is no such thing as a “non-utility-feature”; yes there is. […] If you mean “utility” in the broadest sense of “does thing” than this conversation is pointless.

I don’t mean it in any of the fancy corporate senses, i mean it in the most direct and literal way possible. When I say that everything has its utility, I mean that, for example, even such a “non-utilitarian”, purely cosmetic feature as a visually pleasing UI design has utility of a) making a given piece of software more noticeable, as it will stand out from software with worse design b) makes overall end-user experience more enjoyable c) makes the software itself look more polished and presentable. Another example, no-AI policy has a promotional utility, widening the potential audience without risking anything (it’s not even legally binding in its most common form, and when it is, the software, legally speaking, stops being OSS, traveling into Source Available category).

That definition provides no distinction between “this accomplishes tasks that I want accomplished” and “this is built in such a way as I would want it built”.

In the particular case of LKMS or software in general? Yes. This isn’t applicable towards a software that you have no information about how it was built tho. I don’t see any problem with that tho. It just reclassifies your personal preference into a yet another task a given software should accomplish. By your definition of utility, LKML’s product does everything you’d ever want/need. By mine it doesn’t. By your logic anything that allows you to do basic math operations on numbers is a calculator, and whether someone uses a sheet of paper, an abacus, an actual physical calculator, an app on a phone, or an app on a pc, is just a matter of personal preference and taste. After all, they all accomplish the same purpose, the only difference is how they do it. My optics say, that the majority will prefer a phone app, because everyone nowadays has a phone with them at all times, but i personally right now would use a pc app, because i’m at my pc already, so that way i won’t need to take out my phone. My favorite way to sum up a bunch of numbers didn’t change because the context shifted tho.

It’s all the same with the operating systems. My favorite? Absolutely Linux. Do I dislike Windows and Mac OS? Absolutely. Would I still use Windows on my job if I had no choice? Surprisingly, despite my personal preference, yes, absolutely. Because the utility of the money the job pays outweighs the disutility of Windows being a piece of crap. The scales will most probably tip eventually this hypothetical tho, because the more money I have, the less utility each dollar has for me.

You are right to say that I find the use of LLMs distasteful even under ideal circumstances. […]

In other words, you’re extremely biased, to the point of calling an LLM-produced code “tainted”, despite (or rather thanks to) the fact there’s no traceable evidence by which you can distinct each individual line of code as LLM/non-LLM-written.

I can understand why, given all the over-hyping combined with layoffs and lots of other unethical decisions. But honestly, to me its like blaming the knife and not the killer. Even without LLMs, the human greed is still ever-present and all-consuming. This is the thing that deserves all of the witch-hunting.

P.S. Sorry for the tone at the start. I was a bit frustrated, but cooled down along the way of writing this. I’m leaving it the way it is tho. It has its own utility:)

My entire argument is that value is judged against a wide host of different axis.

And you continue to fail to see that I have never said otherwise. There is a certain logical leap between “this is the only factor that matters” and “this is objectively the main factor, but we have the luxury to not care about it because we live in a post-scarcity environment”. You can afford to not choose the croissant because you know there’s other food to choose from, and more over, that there are other croissants just like this one, but with no child labor inside.

On to your main point as to the value of non-utility features […]

There’s no such thing as “non-utility feature”. But there’s the order of importance of factors, which is, of course, subjective and highly-cotextual. If you personally value the fact that a given software was written without the use of LLMs, than its functionality, because you somehow deem it as “more moral”, you’re free to stay on the outdated kernel, or switch over to NetBSD. I guess that’s the part of our discussion where you explain to me why you think using LLMs in an opensource non-profit collaborative project with the given rule that the person who submits the code is still fully responsible for it and should be able to answer any technical question regarding it is wrong.

You see, it is the principled axis though. Let me paint an analogy: suppose, you’re very thirsty, but there’s no water to be found. You see chips, dried fruit, cakes, biscuits, but no water. Would you really care about how ethically all of those were sourced, how nice they are, or how much the cook loved to make them? If someone started to tell you all of this snacks’n’deserts lore while you were literally dying of thirst, you’d most probably become very irritated, because all of those beautiful snacks and desserts is not what you need right now. What you need is water, and hour by hour you’re starting to care less and less about how muddy it should be, or where it comes from.

What I’m saying is, when a certain niche is overflowing with various pieces, it might seem like utility is not primary, but the opposite becomes really apparent as soon as there’s nothing to fill in that said niche. The rest is just a privilege that we all have, thanks to the abundance of literally everything that we live in. I too have the privilege to avoid projects written in Python, simply because i have a personal preference against it, or to avoid shady vibe-coded slop. With linux kernel tho? I mean, if someone clones it, and does a better job at not letting bugs into production, while releasing at the same pace or quicker than the current kernel project does, i’ll switch to it too. Except i doubt somebody could compete with a team of seasoned vets, that know how to use their tools and can with ~95% accuracy tell which parts of code would break at a first glance. Until then, i’ll stay on vanilla linux kernel, because it does its job of keeping my pc functional, which i need to win some bread.

That’s why i’m putting all the gay bacon in my mouth!

Nooo, don’t eat the gay bacon!

(I want to eat all of it myself)

at least put the nsfw tag on. There’s an nsfw picture on the screenshot after all

At least I died in piece, knowing that I was forgiven

mild language? You mean it calls me a “good boy”?

Or we get both and eat half of each. Apes together strong, can eat two desserts.

That’s the way

A marvel movie? For you, probably. For me that’s just my life unfortunately.

A fabricated video always has distinctive features, by which you can tell it was fabricated. Do you have any argument in favor of your claim? Or is it just your speculation based of your personal preferences? Each of those people have names, you know?

I like how you called my words “banderite word pasta”, because that just show that you didn’t even try to read it.

Must be very easy calling everyone whose stance you don’t like “zombified banderites”, but I’m not sure you should be the arbiter of who’s politically charged here considering that you struggle to participate in an actual discussion, and close your eyes any time an actual evidence is presented.

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Because the main utility of Art is to be observed. The main utility of code is to be compiled into a piece of software.

Why shouldn’t I treat alignment with my values, the degree to which the code fostered a community that was pro-social, or the beauty of the code […]

I never said you shouldn’t. Just that it’s secondary to code’s functionality. Also, specifically in case of the Linux kernel, the community and its values stay the same. All that changed is a clause in the rules.

Every accusation is a confession.

Loud words that sound eloquent and profound, but in actuality carry no value. A demagogy in other words.

Russians doing safaris? WTF?

Here’s a video of just the most recent case that i remember (facebook)

In my own city they bombed a theater and a trade center/office building.

Here’s also an online presentation from Human Rights Watch with some videos

Democracy is derived from the individual only, not race, not religion, not ethnicity, not arbitrary borders, and not even nations themselves.

True. Nobody here talks about religion or nationality tho. I wouldn’t have batted my eye as Russia captured Ukraine if Russia was a democratic and functioning country. Except it isn’t. How’d I know? Simple, really. I have friends and family in Russia. Little fun fact, when Ukranian drone strikes happen in Russia, there’s no sirens, no beforehand notification, no shelters. That’s just how dysfunctional the Russian government is. Those things were implemented immediately in my country when Russia invaded. That’s the difference. Russian government is an oppressive regime that treats its people as a disposable resource.

Individuals have a right to exist, not nations.

I might surprise you, but I’m not the biggest fan of nations either. Problem is, Russia, specifically its current government is nationalist, and was such for a much longer time than Ukraine was. Ukraine’s nationalism is the reaction towards Russia’s.

Millions of people stopped being “Ukrainian” the moment their democratically elected government was overthrown by a Svoboda led fascist mob.

Excuzes-moi, le fuck? After Maidan, there were elections held, Twice since then. Both the current president of Ukraine, and the Ukrainian parliament were democratically elected. And recently when Trump accused Zelensky of military dictatorship, Zelensky himself proposed for the elections to be held, if Russia will guarantee ceasefire for their duration.

Your grandchildren’s grandchildren will be paying off generational debt from predatory military and IMF loans

There’d be no children and grandchildren if not for those loans. Also, My country’s military production have advanced and scaled so much since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, that i’m not sure there’d be trouble paying them off honestly.

Annexation would make that disappear overnight.

Except it won’t. Peskov said:

Any peace plans to end the Russo-Ukrainian War can only proceed from Ukraine’s recognition of Russia’s annexation of occupied regions.

In other words, he says “admit LDNR is ours, and only then we might start to talk about peace”. Except Russian ambition was to take whole territory of the Ukraine. When the invasion started, the tagline in the Russian news was “Киев за три дня” (“Kyiv in three days”). The actual military plan was for blitzkrieging Kyiv in 11 days.