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  • If you’re not using deception, or trying to elicit strong feelings, you’re definitely in the clear. I’m not sure if I’ve ever heard a dry, completely logical and factual argument called a manipulation, and if I have, that was itself a deceptive manipulation.

    After that, it’s a normative term, so there’s a grey zone. Sometimes, deception is actually socially expected. At the other end of the spectrum, “nobody else will love you” or gaslighting someone to think they’re crazy are definitely manipulative. In between you might have things where opinions vary.