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hellyesbrother [he/him]@hexbear.net to electoralism@hexbear.netEnglish · 1 year ago

Would Howard Dean have beaten George Bush in 2004, assuming the "Dean Scream" never happened?

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Would Howard Dean have beaten George Bush in 2004, assuming the "Dean Scream" never happened?

hellyesbrother [he/him]@hexbear.net to electoralism@hexbear.netEnglish · 1 year ago
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  • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netM
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    If it hadn’t have been the scream, the media would have grabbed something else random to annihilate him with.

    It wasn’t even that weird of a scream, basically just a normal rally, but the media had to crush him while he was already losing ground to Kerry who was the party insider pick.

    • invo_rt [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      Yeah iirc the scream was fine in context at a rally full of cheering people. The media was looped into the feed directly from his mic so they ran with that rather than room audio.

      • Teapot [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        The scream was pretty cringe after coming in third or whatever. Oh, you want to be president? Name every state

  • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    if my memory is correct he was already on the downslide in the polls, the dean scream was just what the media seized on

  • Llituro [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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    Blaming the scream is to confuse the sign with the signified

  • duderium [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Not sure it would have mattered, given what Dean ended up doing later.

  • CrushKillDestroySwag@hexbear.net
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    Yeah like the others said he was already being pushed aside by the party establishment for Kerry, and I don’t think he would have won in the general either if for whatever reason he bounced back and won the primary. Most people were still in War on Terror-mania in 2004, and the rally behind the president effect carried Bush to the finish line.

    • JohnBrownNote [comrade/them, des/pair]@hexbear.net
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      Removed by mod

  • aaro [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.net
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    not a shot in the world, but this question is very funny and I appreciate you for asking it

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    No dude lol. This is like a 2008 talking point. Not even Blue MAGA today believe Dean would’ve won in 2004.

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    The Dean Scream was his attempt to communicate with the crows in the rafters.

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    Is this like the lib version of asking if the British army could have beat Ghengis Khan or whatever?

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