I like how the child in the first panel grows up to be the protester in the second panel, and the child in the second panel grows up to be the protester in the third panel.
And the protester of one panel becomes the reactionary in the next panel. The person with red hair can be seen in every stage throughout the panels.
That’s funny because those are the kind of opinions I developed by going to school.
and that’s why you can see that once the person has gone to school they protest (in the next panel)
you then can see in the panel after they protest that they become the parent, telling their child to go to school. presumably because they forgot what they learned at school (or because they think school is the best way for children to learn about these things - which seems a little less likely)
Ah! I didn’t even catch that. That’s actually brilliant.
Oooh, didn’t even notice that… Nice catch!
Yeah, I’m kind of confused by this.
Pacifism is always an unpopular stance, because always, always, always, THIS war is different! THIS war is justified!
The way pacifists are treated right now, when they criticize involvement in the Ukraine war, is pretty similar to how pacifists were treated before the first World War.But also, we shake our heads at the war enthusiasm before WW1, and don’t realize our own today. Cause this war is different.
(For the record, I’m not personally against supporting Ukraine. But I also realize not everyone who is against involvement is a Putin-bot)
deleted by creator
I don’t that’s what he meant. He meant that many Russian soldiers are brainwashed by propaganda as well.
deleted by creator
With all due respect, you’re literally replying to a post saying that it’ll always be “This war is different, this war is justified” by emphasising how this war is different and this war is justified.
But that’s not what is happening.
What is happening is directly pointing out that this was is NOT different. That this war is ALSO unjustified.
In war, the aggressors are the problem. Period. And lending support to the aggressed is not the same as supporting war.
It would work, simply letting Russia finish a genocide against Ukraine or Israel finish a genocide against Palestine. The conflict would certainly be resolved that way. But if you think it is an acceptable outcome, you value peace too highly.
Oh, I agree. Personally I think the world has a duty to stop any country attempting to annex parts of any other country.
I was just tickled by that exchange.
deleted by creator
Ah, ok, I see what’s happened.
Ok, misunderstanding. I’m not American - I didn’t see the connection with the US being the aggressor in the examples in the comic. I was just interpreting it as ‘Anti-War’.
The rest of the exchange makes more sense now!
I was honestly baffled, it felt like I was having a different conversation than everyone else.
Wasnt anything ticklish about the exchange, so kinda creepy that you were
The war in Ukraine is not justified. Supporting Ukraine’s defense is.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking the opponents of any particular military action are pacifists.
I agree?!
I’m honestly not sure what would make you think otherwise.
The words you wrote, primarily
Hanlon’s Razor, my dude.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity
I realised that I’m in the bad here - I missed the connection between the specific wars in the cartoon (i.e. that the US was/supports the aggressor). I thought it was just anti-war in general.
deleted by creator
I should say what to Russia? I don’t understand.
I agree that the world has a duty to stop any attempts a country might make to annex another country’s territory.
That war can end when Russia stops invading another country. Ukraine defending its citizens and territory is right and proper.
Where are you from?
Back when iraq was invaded, Saddam was the aggressor who bad WMD, it all turned out to be a lie.
How do you know that American government is telling it’s citizens complete facts about Ukraine war?
Yes I know Russia is the aggressor here and I am completely against the invasion. However, everyone knew that NATO expansion will trigger a war and US actively pushed for it. American governments hands are not clean when it comes to Ukraine war and American citizens don’t question it at all.
Which brings me to the cartoon here where if you say the above mentioned statements you will be called a tankie, Putin bootlicker etc.
Removed by mod
of course you are right. because this is high school and not eastern Europe with a complex geopolitical history.
iTs CoMpLiCaTeD
No tankie, it’s very simple. Russia is an imperialist nation. Should’ve been given a foot up their ass when they annexed Crimea.
predicted it.
You’re not even comparing apples and oranges
Not really comparable. If in 2003 the US did nothing Iraq would still be doing what it was doing and there would have been no war. If Ukraine stops fighting for even a day the country no longer exists.
It isnt special pleading when you can point out major differences between cases.
Kraut IMO made a pretty good argument based on exactly that point that Iraq would have been doing what it had been doing already,
That being that what Iraq was doing was plenty horrible on its own, and that Bush and co could have made an argument for US involvement just on the merits of stopping a genocidal dictator. The question with no answer is if the public would have accepted that argument for going into Iraq at the same time as Afghanistan.
The war was illegal and justified by WMDs that weren’t there.
Yup. Support for the Iraqi war was at like 80% in the US when it started.
If Biden gets reelected and we do the “each party gets two terms then switch” dance that has been going on now for decades, it will be 2036 before we have a chance of electing a president that will hold Israel accountable for its actions.
Which president would that be?
vermin supreme
I’m holding out until 2043 when the average age of presidents is around 100 and they’re so senile that they communicate with grunting noises. Then we can have their personal support worker interpreting it like a fucking geriatric oracle of Delphi.
That’ll be much better. PSW ain’t got no lobbyists.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
prezgpt
Unironically the preferable option. I, for one, welcome a robot overlord for a change.
Please reconsider, it would be trained on reddit users data.
Oof, yikes, didn’t consider that. Well, at least it can’t be bribed with money or power, can’t be intimidated, and won’t go senile. Though it may hallucinate.
Can anyone make similar picture with texts: “No Afgan war”, “No Chechnya war”, “No Ukraine war” and on every slide police is beating them?
You know how MLK is famed for nonviolence in his protests?
This is how they treated him in his time
“Educate yourself”
deleted by creator
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
deleted by creator
I don’t get what you’re saying here tbh.
Sometimes war is necessary because some people want to ruin things more than some people want peace.
Making war on their neighbors will not bring peace to Israel.
No it will only multiply the human chaos and misery in the middle East. And guarantee future retaliation from terrorist cells.
deleted by creator
Well that’s just clearly historically false. Israel wouldn’t even exist without them making war on their neighbors. Or as it initially played out, without winning wars against their neighbors who started those wars.
About Palestine specifically, it doesn’t seem that not making war against them worked brilliantly either.
Suggested reading: HISTORY OF MODERN PALESTINE: ONE LAND, TWO PEOPLES. by Ilan Pappe
Free on Library Genesis or your local library
I dunno, but I’m totally anti-war even if there are some people (terrorists, criminals, republicans) who want to ruin things for everyone else. I’ll never support Israel in their brutal retaliation against Gaza but I could never support any Palestinians who lug weapons around or use them to hurt others either. What is clear is that giving men guns or weapons guarantees an outbreak of war (they aren’t going to use them to make nice lamps for the living room). My bumper sticker says, to make peace you have to prepare for peace. I guess that’s too hard in this world.
I think that is a 100% admirable position and its only weakness (sadly a big one) is that not everyone thinks like that.
Thank you and I agree that is the fatal weakness of my argument. But, in a way that’s why I feel the need to make it. It’s like putting a pat of butter on an ear of corn, hopefully some of it will melt and sink in if people think about it enough.
This is Chamberlain in October 1938, returning from Munich to London, waving the Munich Agreement, confident to have appeased Hitler by betraying Czechoslovakia and to have secured eternal peace for Europe. Worked like a charm for 11 month.
Removed by mod
Hmm, how about that ceasefire that was ongoing until October 7th? That’s not even to mention the number of ways Hamas broke the current ceasefire that Israel let slide.
You realize Gaza has been an open-air prison the whole time right? And you’re trying to deny the natives’ right to fight back against colonizers and settlers?
Theodor Herzl, founder of Zionism, was just a racist colonizer, and saw it as bringing ‘civilization’ to ‘barbarians’ as the rest of Europe did when they were colonizing and enslaving Africa and Asia:
“We should there form a portion of a rampart of Europe against Asia, an outpost of civilization as opposed to barbarism. We should as a neutral State remain in contact with all Europe, which would have to guarantee our existence.” Source [II]
That is exactly what’s happening right now. All for European and US military and economic interests in the region; for their ruling class of capitalist corporations at least. Israel is literally a modern western colony committing genocide on natives.
That is exactly what’s happening right now.
you know well enough that your small excerpt of literature from 150 years ago is not manifesting itself today. if that would be a thing, let’s make it happen with the Manifest der Kommunistischen Partei.
speaking of open-air prison, what’s your verdict on West-Berlin’s situation between 1961 and 1989 then? and how did Hamas and others get such an arsenal of weaponry into a prison?
is not manifesting itself today
Are you blind? US sending billions of dollars to Israeli military so they can colonize Palestine and kill and displace hundreds of thousands of natives isn’t enough for you? Does Joe Biden himself have to spell it out for you?
what’s your verdict on West-Berlin’s situation between 1961 and 1989 then?
What the fuck does a 30 year period where 140 people died in Berlin in confrontations between the US and GDR have to do with this?
US involvement? If that’s your point, you could bring up the Vietnam or Iraq wars where US invasions left 60k and 300k civilians dead respectively. The Berlin situation isn’t even comparable to the rest of the shit the US and Europe are responsible for.
But sure, the GDR should’ve just let the US and FRG keep using West Berlin as a base of operations for spying on and sabotaging the Eastern Bloc. Even knowing how that ends.
Are you blind?
yeah, the screenreader is fine.
Does Joe Biden himself have to spell it out for you?
as a user of ad-blockers i can’t check your source. but i doubt that he proposes any of your allegations.
btw, what fate do you have in mind for “native” jews and all those who had only one place to seek refuge when they were persecuted in Europe, Northern Africa, the Arab countries and Iran?
What the fuck does a 30 year period where 140 people died in Berlin in confrontations between the US and GDR have to do with this?
my idea was to point out the fact that an exclave is anything but a prison. but any allegory, be it as stupid as this one, is thankfully repeated by the couch fighters for the Palestinian cause.
Even knowing how that ends.
nah, we’d have kicked them asses to then burn in the eternal flames of the last war.
yeah, the screenreader is fine.
Clearly not.
i can’t check your source. but i doubt
Yeah go fuck yourself lol
Removed by mod
