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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 2 years ago

The West Must Recognize Its Hypocrisy writes Financial Times

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The West Must Recognize Its Hypocrisy writes Financial Times

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 2 years ago
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    The actual colonialism happening in Taiwan is what US has been doing there since WW2.

    So the US is still colonizing Taiwan? How did they even “colonize” Taiwan?

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      Go read up on some history and learn a bit about history of what US has been doing in Taiwan instead of making a 🤡 of yourself in public.

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        So no source?

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          The fact that you can’t even figure out how to google basic publicly available information explains quite a bit about your comment history.

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            I know you cant back up your claims. You are just here to stir up drama.

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              I see you’ve made a self referential comment.

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                still no source.

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                  It’s pretty common troll tactic to claim to want information on something that’s well documented. What specifically do you want a source regarding, how US poured millions into Taiwanese media via orgs like NED, or how US grooms DPP politicians, or how US based orgs help write school curriculum?

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                    In the African high speed rail thread, you required citations of others who had opinions you didn’t like.

                    You’re doing it here, too. But you won’t put in the effort you expect of others.

                    And you decry hypocrisy.

                    You are becoming a known agitator and troll. That’s never good for a cause you care about. Good work.

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            Nope. Stop there.

            You keep telling other people to do the research and make an argument to you. But you will not do it yourself.

            It’s a troll move and you have to stop. All you are doing is alienating people. I’ve begun to wonder if that’s what you’re here to do.

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              I provide sources for what I say all the time when I say something that’s not necessarily obvious. In this particular case, I’m stating a well documented fact that anybody can google. The troll move here is to claim that I said something controversial, demand evidence, and then to make personal smear attacks against me. Which is what you and your buddy are doing.

              That said, here are some materials that you will never bother reading, but might help other people reading the thread understand who the actual troll here is.

              US Political Capture of Taiwan

              • US National Endowment for Democracy - REMARKS PREPARED BY NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR DEMOCRACY PRESIDENT CARL GERSHMAN AND READ BY ANDREW NATHAN AT TECRO DINNER WITH TAIWAN PRESIDENT TSAI ING-WEN (2019): https://www.ned.org/remarks-prepared-by-national-endowment-for-democracy-president-carl-gershman-and-read-by-andrew-nathan-at-tecro-dinner-with-taiwan-president-tsai-ing-wen/
              • US National Endowment for Democracy - TAIWAN PRESIDENT TSAI ING-WEN HONORS PRESIDENT OF NED CARL GERSHMAN ON HUMAN RIGHTS DAY (2019): https://www.ned.org/taiwan-president-tsai-ing-wen-honors-ned-human-rights-day/
              • US National Endowment for Democracy - REMARKS BY CARL GERSHMAN UPON RECEIVING THE PRESIDENTIAL MEDAL IN TAIWAN: https://www.ned.org/taiwans-destiny/

              Sunflower Movement Leader Lin Fei-fan’s Associations with the US NED

              • Taipei Times - Beijing using free market to influence Taiwanese media, US symposium told (2013): https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2013/03/02/2003556088
              • The Diplomat - Sunflowers End Occupation of Taiwan’s Legislature (archived, 2014): http://web.archive.org/web/20140411235449/https://thediplomat.com/2014/04/sunflowers-end-occupation-of-taiwans-legislature/
              • Taiwan News - Former Sunflower Movement activists join DPP, Lin Fei-fan pledges to help DPP win election, prevent pro-Beijing forces from taking power (2019): https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3744833

              Democratic Progressive Party (DPP)’s regular Reporting to AIT

              • Wikileaks - TSAI ING-WEN COMMENTS ON DPP TURMOIL (2005): https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/05TAIPEI4870_a.html
              • Wikileaks - DPP CHAIRPERSON TSAI ING-WEN ON CHALLENGES FACING PARTY AND U.S. ARMS SALES (2008): https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08TAIPEI892_a.html
              • Wikileaks - DIRECTOR’S FAREWELL CALL ON DPP CHAIR TSAI ING-WEN (2009): https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09TAIPEI754_a.html

              US interference in Taiwan politics and media is very well documented. US has poured countless millions into shaping the opinions of the people in Taiwan through orgs like NED, it directly grooms US politicians such as Tsai Ing-Wen, and that’s literally what colonialism and cultural hegemony are.

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                These links (clicked and read) are not all that salacious.

                Where there are like-minded people, we like to help. If we can get more like-minded people, that’s better.

                If it was for free market capitalism, I’d have an issue with our contribution. A lot of this is about the spread of democracy. I don’t take issue with that.

                Self-determination (including the rejection of democracy) seems fundamental to me. Overall, however, I think socialist democracies make the most sense. Beneficent dictatorships seem like a they’re one step away from not being beneficial. Slippery slope thing.

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                  That is such an absurd statement to make. To understand how absurd what you’re saying is replace Taiwan with Texas or Hawaii and replace US with Russia or China. Then tell me with a straight face that US would allow this level of interference in a US state where Russia or China would groom politicians, sponsor movements via their state orgs, and send weapons there. Last I checked US liberals are still losing their minds over the fact that a Russian oligarch bought a few 100k worth of Fb ads during an election campaign. What these links show is political interference on an incredible scale, and the kind US would never tolerate in a million years.

                  And don’t pretend that this is about spreading democracy, it’s about spreading US hegemony. US doesn’t even have democracy at home, how can it possibly spread it anywhere else:

                  What do our findings say about democracy in America? They certainly constitute troubling news for advocates of “populistic” democracy, who want governments to respond primarily or exclusively to the policy preferences of their citizens. In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule—at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.

                  Having a foreign power take over and run your government isn’t what self determination is. Self determination fundamentally starts with having sovereignty, and having a foreign power drive your political system is literally the opposite of that.

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                    I have no disagreement with calling our system an oligarchy. It’s part of why I’m pro-socialism.

                    Money isn’t the only thing driving the oligarchy, but it’s way up there on my list.

                    Profound, immeasurable wealth is a blight and a hallmark of poor mental health.

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