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Vampire [any]@hexbear.net to askchapo@hexbear.netEnglish · 2 年前

What are your thoughts on chanting "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"? Is it too provocative or aggressive?

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What are your thoughts on chanting "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"? Is it too provocative or aggressive?

Vampire [any]@hexbear.net to askchapo@hexbear.netEnglish · 2 年前
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  • Infamousblt [any]@hexbear.net
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    2 年前

    Black Lives Matter is too aggressive for libs. Literally just saying that lives matter is too much.

    So why bother to temper it at all. If anyone says anything against the status quo libs will hand wring and pearl clutch so you may as well go big

  • sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    The existence of Israel itself is far more provocative and aggressive than the protest chant against it.

  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]@hexbear.net
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    No, in a practical sense there is nothing that is passive and submissive enough that it will be acceptable for those that view from the river to the sea as too provocative and too aggressive.

    Centrists who hum and haw about this are disingenous, they oppose the sentiment itself, they feel that the idea of Palestinians in equal power to Israelis is threatening and would prefer a complete fantasy vision of a peaceful relationship of submission by the Palestinians to the Israelis.

  • SpookyGenderCommunist [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.net
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    Lib shit. Same garbage as When people were saying “Defund the police” needed to be watered down (when it was already a watered down version of Abolish The Police).

    It’s this notion that finding the prefect slogan will be the mechanism that affects change.

    • drhead [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      We must embrace our true nature and just have an entire wall of text that explores every nuance of the issue as our slogan.

  • 2Password2Remember [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    2 年前

    not provocative enough

    Death to America

    • pillow [she/her]@hexbear.net
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      2 年前

      how about “death to israel” then sicko-lea

      • krolden@lemmy.ml
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        2 年前

        Why not both

      • 2Password2Remember [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        2 年前

        death to Israel

        Death to America

    • FourteenEyes [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      2 年前

      America Delenda Est

  • JohnBrownsBussy2 [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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    Trying to craft a perfect slogan to appease the media and hand-wringing liberals is pointless. They don’t want to come up with something better, they just want you to shut up.

  • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    It’s less aggressive than the Zionist chant of “kill all Arabs.”

  • novibe@lemmy.ml
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    What is aggressive or provocative about wishing a land be free for all peoples to live and prosper in equality?

  • DickFuckarelli [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    It’s no more provocative than This Land Is Your Land.

    • triplenadir@lemmygrad.ml
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      always got weird “manifest destiny” vibes from that song tbh

      • ProfessorOwl_PhD [any]@hexbear.net
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        I can see how, but it was a contemporaneous response to Kate Smith’s “God Bless America”, refuting the idea of manifest destiny - there’s a verse about private property that is rarely included in recordings that makes it a lot more clear.

      • Smeagolicious [they/them]@hexbear.net
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        The original Woody Guthrie version is a bit better, the one with the verses that are usually removed because they’re too critical of that manifest destiny myth. Pete Seeger was known for performing this one too

        • HexReplyBot [none/use name]@hexbear.netB
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          I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

          • yewtu.be
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          • yt.artemislena.eu
          • piped.video
      • SpookyGenderCommunist [they/them, she/her]@hexbear.net
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        The original version of the song was critical of private property and colonialism, to be fair.

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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          Yeah, they took the private property line out of the version they taught kids in schools.

  • mechwarrior2 [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    No

  • Zrc [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    not provocative and aggressive enough

  • Maoo [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    Great chant, say it every chance you get

  • ComradeCmdrPiggy@hexbear.net
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    Not aggressive enough

  • kleeon [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    I don’t care. You have to realise that people who are claiming it’s too provocative are completely cynical. They don’t want you to find a less provocative slogan, they want you to shut up about palestinian rights

  • kristina [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    This is just liberal cringe shit like complaining about black lives matter

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