yeah palestine should just “cooperate” with israel instead of “competing” thatll totally fix everything
you cannot “cooperate” with somebody diametrically opposed to your interests who will literally kill your entire people if you do not fight
this is essentially just active denial of the many crimes against the humanity the west has and continues to commit
also both the games in the op are about china fighting against imperialist japan during literally ww2, are you saying china should have “cooperated” with literal nazis? lol
I was never a fan of my country of birth, the self-proclaimed “greatest in the world.”
I was fed nothing but propaganda my entire life and hated all of it. I see reality for what it is despite the rose-colored-glasses my country tries to force over my eyes no matter how often I tell them I can see just fine.
The games on the top are entirely unfamiliar to me which is where my response comes from. Y’all lick auth-left boots here which is still licking boots from my perspective. So maybe you can better appreciate the fact that I agree oppression is for shit and Nazis need to be disappeared hard, but maybe I’m also sick of being told “good soldiers follow orders” and thinking that’s the greatest thing ever.
Nuance exists and I get the internet hates that, broadly speaking, but also its still true and I don’t want my children growing up in a war-torn world. Crazy and fucked up that I don’t want my babies to deal with wars, right?
Y’all lick auth-left boots here which is still licking boots from my perspective
lol “auth-left” isnt a real thing, authoritarianism is a meaningless word that just means “place i dont like”
you dont know a single thing about china, the dprk, cuba, etc, other than what state sanctioned western media tells you to think about them
but i guess thats not “propaganda” because they are corporations and not the government
I don’t want my children growing up in a war-torn world. Crazy and fucked up that I don’t want my babies to deal with wars, right?
if you dont want your children to grow up in a war-torn world you should support every aes state in existence going to war with and crushing amerikkka, the first western state to wholly and utterly embrace genocide in its entirety and as its reason for existence, and from which spawned many pale imitators, and also in many ways the purest form of the genocide-state
but you only care about war if it effects you, the lives of people in the global south dont matter to you so “war bad” is an easy position to have i guess
Nuance exists and I get the internet hates that
saying nuance exists while saying “all war is bad no matter what” is really funny lol
nuance exists, which is why i can say “the chinese people going to war and overthrowing feudal china is good” while also saying “the west going to war and bombing the middle east and killing hundreds of thousands of civillians is bad” and these things not be conflicting worldviews
War is abhorrent but I teach my kids to fight because that’s the world we live in. I hate it but its the world we all were brought into against our will. I hate the future my babies have, but I will do everything j can to equip them to deal with it as best I am able to predict. And so succinctly, fuck you and your judgments, your shit smells no better than mine. Cheers, good day, and nothing but love for my fellow humans.
You admit you were fed nothing but propaganda, but you still parrot that propaganda with phrases like “auth left,” and the other bullshit. Examine your views more before disparaging strangers and potential comrades if you really want to help fight against war and imperialism, we also want nothing but the best for humanity and the earth.
Man, I’m old internet. I can’t keep up with every vernacular trend and I genuinely don’t care to anymore. That doesn’t mean my worldview is restricted to those terms. You don’t have contradictory things about you?
Y’all judge way harder than you need to. I am teaching my children to defend themselves while also teaching them this is a last resort for your personal safety. I am teaching them that true justice is blind to all but facts, and that injustice is everywhere - yes even in your own home sometimes. Life isn’t just, but we can aspire to be so ourselves to make the world a better place.
So are some of these views contradictory on the surface? Sure, maybe if you don’t bother to go any further. But there is a consistency that words on a tiny screen are never going to get to, and especially when we start with ad hominems instead of questioning. I also genuinely can’t believe that so many people think I am somehow supportive of anything but people living their own lives without some violent asshole demanding more from them so he can have an easier life. But because I didn’t use your particular preferred phrasing, I’m the asshole?
I don’t think it’s me who needs self-examination, folks. all I said was “I don’t find war simulations fun because war itself is inherently stupid.” I didn’t say it was unnecessary, just that murdering other people because “HE SAID THE WRONG WORDS” is genuinely fucking dumb. And tell me wars were actually really ultimately for any other reason than that. Couldn’t figure out how to play nice with each other or simply refused to because… Words to justify murder. And so yeah, the oppressed fight for survival. When some stupid fuck forces their hands.
We are on the same side, its just the jingo. Grow up, children.
A lot of us are old too, I don’t want to dox myself but in terms of the internet I am eldery. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I wasn’t trying to make any assumptions about you personally, I’m sure I have contradictory positions at times, I was just commenting on your use of terms used nearly exclusively to demonized the enemies of US imperialists, and that the things you are saying about “authoritarianism” don’t correspond to the reality I experience and study.
No one said anything about muderering someone for “wrong words”, I don’t even know what strawman you are creating so I can’t refute what you are saying. We judge harshly when people spread bullshit because the words used by imperialists are part of the general effort to eradicate leftism, murder enemies like queer and non-white people, and enact genocide in Palestine and elsewhere. The stakes are life and death so people take it seriously.
So I’m a product of my environment. I’m not out here telling anyone they are wrong, just stating what I believe.
I said what I thought was an uncontroversial thing in “war is bad and I don’t like simulating it no matter whose flag you fly” and people took offense to me not wanting to murder people because real people historically said the wrong words in this particular game. This is literally where the entire thread here comes from.
And somehow I have brainworms for that as somebody further up decided. So what’s the straw man and where was I wrong or reprehensible? Its when people challenged that belief as stupid that I resorted to the only internet terminology I ever remotely engaged with because reddit is a fucking cesspool and I guess that’s on me for being socially stunted. Autism and all, life is harder than it needs to be on top of the world actually turning to shit.
You I appreciate. You have not, yourself, made any ad hominous statements about me nor have you done anything but question and point out your observations in calm language. This is discourse and I appreciate it.
The rest of everybody here is so far up Marx’s mummified ass they can taste his last meal and its kind of infuriating. Yes, the US Empire is bad and is destroying the world. Yes, capitalism has absolutely ruined the planet in the name of personal greed for a dozen people. No, I don’t actually have a workable plan to fix it and I’d bet every bridge in New York City that most all of the people here don’t have one either. And if you do, then stop arguing with the retard named DjangoFett on some bullshit website and get out and do something about it. I put my body on the front line against capitalism when I was young and single enough to do so. Now I have a family and priorities shifted. Beliefs evolved to suit reality, but the core of them has never shifted.
Again, I appreciate you as the reasonable one in the crowd of rabid buzzword-lovers. Stay awesome, friend.
Jazz musician and independent contractor who has no patience for anybody’s bullshit or propaganda. Not his, not yours, not “my guy’s.” Propaganda is propaganda and it can all go fuck itself.
Now we can keep being unnecessarily reductive with one another’s positions or you can accept I don’t give a fuck whose propaganda it is, I don’t want it.
It isn’t lost on me, and I was never mad about it.
I also still prefer the space magic bit of it. And the badass helmet design of Mandalorians.
And finally, it isn’t a simulation encouraging me to murder people from a particular country because some dude in a fancy chair told me to unlike [military FPS of your preference.]
Star Wars is still escapism. Simulating a war against your favorite IRL boogeyman is wildly different.
all I’m saying is don’t tell me what to think or that what I come up with critically on my own of my own volition is inherently wrong because I used phrasing you disagree with.
Everyone on Lemmy is some form of left. Arguing with me over this is so fucking libertarian-coded it genuinely makes me hate lefties while actively being left. Like, y’all don’t get how licking China’s boots is literally the same shit-licking that Amerikkkans love to do while shitting on China.
Y’all, its all propaganda. If you aren’t sitting around a fire singing kumbaya right the fuck now then you’re into the propaganda.
I know the world is more fucked than kumbaya, but I still hold it as an ideal. But youre right, I’m a Nazi fuckboi while you love Xi Jinping and his differently-flavored Nazis where any religion (even though I high key agree with this particular hot take) is literal evil and you can get disappeared because The State Is All. Nah, fuck that shit too.
War is literal evil and I know it exists just like capitalism which we all have to deal with. So fuck the other guy’s ad hominem hot takes, fuck your suggestion that I just accept propaganda, and fuck Lemmy for being a worse echo chamber than fucking reddit.
I never said I didn’t, however, the fact that you simultaneously admit that you fall for propaganda that you like, and then excoriate me for telling you to accept the propaganda (something I never said) means to me that you don’t have a consistent system of beliefs, which means that any real further questioning by me is fairly pointless. Nevertheless.
So, the reason everyone is just attacking you with ad hominems is because you have this extremely distasteful habit of placing words in people’s mouths. Why should anybody actually address your arguments when you have not only decided what they are for us, but also the specific wording of that argument?
Why should I bother talking to you when you have already had your conversation with me in your head?
Far more fun just to shit on you. Not like any of this is actually important political discourse.
I will give you some real advice though, get back to .zip, you’ll have more fun there.
Nearly every piece of media can be considered propaganda. There is not a TV show, movie, or even song that does not contain elements of propaganda. Furthermore, propaganda is not inherently bad, only who is saying it and what they are saying can be bad, or good for that matter. For example, it’s extremely propagandistic to say “oppression is for shit and Nazis need to be disappeared hard,” so you yourself are spouting propaganda. But it is not wrong and indeed that is a good thing to say. If you want to use a definition for propaganda that it must be a lie or presenting something as factual when it is not, fine, but then none of these games are propaganda, they’re just role playing in different made-up scenarios (and yes, even games based on historical events, you are still playing made-up scenarios).
If someone were to say that they simply don’t enjoy role playing (as in a video game) where they are killing another person, that would be fine. I think it’s rather limiting and maybe a bit hypersensitive, but that’s their prerogative and I would never get on someone’s case who drew that line for themselves. If it feels bad to kill someone in a game, and you don’t want to do that, ok, I get it. But that’s not what you’re doing here. You’re not saying “it doesn’t feel good to me to pretend to kill someone even in a video game” you’re saying “these video games are political with respect to who is killing who,” well yeah, so is every single fucking game where you’re killing! So in this sense, you’re really not much different from the CHUDs who whinge “keep politics out of my games!” because those games don’t align with their own highly political standards of games needing to have white, male, cis/heteronormative, neurotypical, able-bodied, capitalist-realist perspective. Are you opposed to playing the Wolfenstein games because you kill nazis in them? That is very much propaganda, but it is good propaganda, which you should recognize since you yourself correctly state that “nazis need to be disappeared.” The exact same thing can be said for the two games at the top of the OP image that you are pearl-clutching about not being willing to play because they are propaganda. Can you really not see your ridiculous double standard?
It is very much a good thing to “push propaganda” of an oppressed group fighting for their liberation while it is a disgusting but overwhelmingly common thing to push propaganda where the so-called good guys are soldiers for imperialist hegemony.
Also, this is mostly beside the points above, but anyone who says, “I see reality for what it is” does not in fact see reality for what it is. It is impossible to fully model reality in our minds, we all have no choice but to view reality through certain lenses and those lenses need to be constantly adjusted to more closely model reality. This may be a bit nitpicky and it is getting into philosophical, epistemological tangents, but it really does irk me when someone can’t recognize their cringy hubris by claiming to “see reality as it is” as if everyone else, including those who have spent years and even decades studying political theory, can’t see reality for what it is.
To your Wolfenstein point, I don’t play those games either.
Cyberpunk is absolutely political. So is Warhammer. While I absolutely hear and appreciate your point, I do still have an internal consistency that doesn’t translate well to this particular forum without the level of analysis and response which you have provided because for the most part I am reactive rather than proactive, an issue which is a lifelong struggle.
As far as my internal consistency, it is the level of animosity towards an actual, extant group of people; I said that I much prefer the fictional groups for death rather than extant, and the less likely they are to exist the more comfortable I am with simulating murder of any kind because it is therefore that much further removed from reality.
Star Wars is literal space Nazis modeled on the American Empire and I never disputed the core message. I also said straight up I prefer the space magic and cool designs. I also rather love Dune and The Expanse and BSG Trek and many others which all have political statements but little bearing on modernity when viewed as art, just like most entertainment.
Let us also note that we are comparing passive media to active simulations. I can watch a movie or show and decide for myself if it is entertaining and if I like the politics. I actually rather dislike BSG compared to everything else I listed because of the strong religious undercurrent. It bothers me on several levels including the writing of it all (you had to reach for Jesus to come up with a good ending? Fuck that shit) but I can still appreciate it as a whole work. Meanwhile, the games listed are entirely based on you and a gun and everyone in front of that gun. Is it historic? Cool, I can appreciate that if not like it.
No, I’m not saying the Nazis could be reasoned with. Nor can Trump. Fuck them, burn them, kill them, erase all but the lessons of them from history.
Don’t glorify and gamify murder. Fuck that.
ETA: Also, thank you for being the thoughtful one.
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“war bad” is such a nonsense statement, yeah i guess the chinese people should have just stuck with feudalism smh
imperial core committing genocide for decades: “ah but dont you know all war is equally dumb”
shoo
Cooperation is always superior to competition.
Or are you a free market capitalist?
Use more jingo, it might convince more morons.
yeah palestine should just “cooperate” with israel instead of “competing” thatll totally fix everything
you cannot “cooperate” with somebody diametrically opposed to your interests who will literally kill your entire people if you do not fight
this is essentially just active denial of the many crimes against the humanity the west has and continues to commit
also both the games in the op are about china fighting against imperialist japan during literally ww2, are you saying china should have “cooperated” with literal nazis? lol
I was never a fan of my country of birth, the self-proclaimed “greatest in the world.”
I was fed nothing but propaganda my entire life and hated all of it. I see reality for what it is despite the rose-colored-glasses my country tries to force over my eyes no matter how often I tell them I can see just fine.
The games on the top are entirely unfamiliar to me which is where my response comes from. Y’all lick auth-left boots here which is still licking boots from my perspective. So maybe you can better appreciate the fact that I agree oppression is for shit and Nazis need to be disappeared hard, but maybe I’m also sick of being told “good soldiers follow orders” and thinking that’s the greatest thing ever.
Nuance exists and I get the internet hates that, broadly speaking, but also its still true and I don’t want my children growing up in a war-torn world. Crazy and fucked up that I don’t want my babies to deal with wars, right?
lol “auth-left” isnt a real thing, authoritarianism is a meaningless word that just means “place i dont like”
you dont know a single thing about china, the dprk, cuba, etc, other than what state sanctioned western media tells you to think about them
but i guess thats not “propaganda” because they are corporations and not the government
if you dont want your children to grow up in a war-torn world you should support every aes state in existence going to war with and crushing amerikkka, the first western state to wholly and utterly embrace genocide in its entirety and as its reason for existence, and from which spawned many pale imitators, and also in many ways the purest form of the genocide-state
but you only care about war if it effects you, the lives of people in the global south dont matter to you so “war bad” is an easy position to have i guess
saying nuance exists while saying “all war is bad no matter what” is really funny lol
nuance exists, which is why i can say “the chinese people going to war and overthrowing feudal china is good” while also saying “the west going to war and bombing the middle east and killing hundreds of thousands of civillians is bad” and these things not be conflicting worldviews
I replied further up in the chain with my actual nuance. See and hear what you want, echo chambers are always bad and Lemmy is no exception.
War is abhorrent but I teach my kids to fight because that’s the world we live in. I hate it but its the world we all were brought into against our will. I hate the future my babies have, but I will do everything j can to equip them to deal with it as best I am able to predict. And so succinctly, fuck you and your judgments, your shit smells no better than mine. Cheers, good day, and nothing but love for my fellow humans.
You admit you were fed nothing but propaganda, but you still parrot that propaganda with phrases like “auth left,” and the other bullshit. Examine your views more before disparaging strangers and potential comrades if you really want to help fight against war and imperialism, we also want nothing but the best for humanity and the earth.
Man, I’m old internet. I can’t keep up with every vernacular trend and I genuinely don’t care to anymore. That doesn’t mean my worldview is restricted to those terms. You don’t have contradictory things about you?
Y’all judge way harder than you need to. I am teaching my children to defend themselves while also teaching them this is a last resort for your personal safety. I am teaching them that true justice is blind to all but facts, and that injustice is everywhere - yes even in your own home sometimes. Life isn’t just, but we can aspire to be so ourselves to make the world a better place.
So are some of these views contradictory on the surface? Sure, maybe if you don’t bother to go any further. But there is a consistency that words on a tiny screen are never going to get to, and especially when we start with ad hominems instead of questioning. I also genuinely can’t believe that so many people think I am somehow supportive of anything but people living their own lives without some violent asshole demanding more from them so he can have an easier life. But because I didn’t use your particular preferred phrasing, I’m the asshole?
I don’t think it’s me who needs self-examination, folks. all I said was “I don’t find war simulations fun because war itself is inherently stupid.” I didn’t say it was unnecessary, just that murdering other people because “HE SAID THE WRONG WORDS” is genuinely fucking dumb. And tell me wars were actually really ultimately for any other reason than that. Couldn’t figure out how to play nice with each other or simply refused to because… Words to justify murder. And so yeah, the oppressed fight for survival. When some stupid fuck forces their hands.
We are on the same side, its just the jingo. Grow up, children.
At what point did someone use a personal attack as an argument? Or is this another one of your misused terms?
A lot of us are old too, I don’t want to dox myself but in terms of the internet I am eldery. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I wasn’t trying to make any assumptions about you personally, I’m sure I have contradictory positions at times, I was just commenting on your use of terms used nearly exclusively to demonized the enemies of US imperialists, and that the things you are saying about “authoritarianism” don’t correspond to the reality I experience and study.
No one said anything about muderering someone for “wrong words”, I don’t even know what strawman you are creating so I can’t refute what you are saying. We judge harshly when people spread bullshit because the words used by imperialists are part of the general effort to eradicate leftism, murder enemies like queer and non-white people, and enact genocide in Palestine and elsewhere. The stakes are life and death so people take it seriously.
So I’m a product of my environment. I’m not out here telling anyone they are wrong, just stating what I believe.
I said what I thought was an uncontroversial thing in “war is bad and I don’t like simulating it no matter whose flag you fly” and people took offense to me not wanting to murder people because real people historically said the wrong words in this particular game. This is literally where the entire thread here comes from.
And somehow I have brainworms for that as somebody further up decided. So what’s the straw man and where was I wrong or reprehensible? Its when people challenged that belief as stupid that I resorted to the only internet terminology I ever remotely engaged with because reddit is a fucking cesspool and I guess that’s on me for being socially stunted. Autism and all, life is harder than it needs to be on top of the world actually turning to shit.
You I appreciate. You have not, yourself, made any ad hominous statements about me nor have you done anything but question and point out your observations in calm language. This is discourse and I appreciate it.
The rest of everybody here is so far up Marx’s mummified ass they can taste his last meal and its kind of infuriating. Yes, the US Empire is bad and is destroying the world. Yes, capitalism has absolutely ruined the planet in the name of personal greed for a dozen people. No, I don’t actually have a workable plan to fix it and I’d bet every bridge in New York City that most all of the people here don’t have one either. And if you do, then stop arguing with the retard named DjangoFett on some bullshit website and get out and do something about it. I put my body on the front line against capitalism when I was young and single enough to do so. Now I have a family and priorities shifted. Beliefs evolved to suit reality, but the core of them has never shifted.
Again, I appreciate you as the reasonable one in the crowd of rabid buzzword-lovers. Stay awesome, friend.
buddy you named yourself after star wars
Jazz musician and independent contractor who has no patience for anybody’s bullshit or propaganda. Not his, not yours, not “my guy’s.” Propaganda is propaganda and it can all go fuck itself.
Now we can keep being unnecessarily reductive with one another’s positions or you can accept I don’t give a fuck whose propaganda it is, I don’t want it.
star wars is propaganda
Yeah - down with the American Empire.
It isn’t lost on me, and I was never mad about it.
I also still prefer the space magic bit of it. And the badass helmet design of Mandalorians.
And finally, it isn’t a simulation encouraging me to murder people from a particular country because some dude in a fancy chair told me to unlike [military FPS of your preference.]
Star Wars is still escapism. Simulating a war against your favorite IRL boogeyman is wildly different.
So you just prefer the propaganda that you agree with?
And you don’t, TreadOnMe?
all I’m saying is don’t tell me what to think or that what I come up with critically on my own of my own volition is inherently wrong because I used phrasing you disagree with.
Everyone on Lemmy is some form of left. Arguing with me over this is so fucking libertarian-coded it genuinely makes me hate lefties while actively being left. Like, y’all don’t get how licking China’s boots is literally the same shit-licking that Amerikkkans love to do while shitting on China.
Y’all, its all propaganda. If you aren’t sitting around a fire singing kumbaya right the fuck now then you’re into the propaganda.
I know the world is more fucked than kumbaya, but I still hold it as an ideal. But youre right, I’m a Nazi fuckboi while you love Xi Jinping and his differently-flavored Nazis where any religion (even though I high key agree with this particular hot take) is literal evil and you can get disappeared because The State Is All. Nah, fuck that shit too.
War is literal evil and I know it exists just like capitalism which we all have to deal with. So fuck the other guy’s ad hominem hot takes, fuck your suggestion that I just accept propaganda, and fuck Lemmy for being a worse echo chamber than fucking reddit.
I never said I didn’t, however, the fact that you simultaneously admit that you fall for propaganda that you like, and then excoriate me for telling you to accept the propaganda (something I never said) means to me that you don’t have a consistent system of beliefs, which means that any real further questioning by me is fairly pointless. Nevertheless.
So, the reason everyone is just attacking you with ad hominems is because you have this extremely distasteful habit of placing words in people’s mouths. Why should anybody actually address your arguments when you have not only decided what they are for us, but also the specific wording of that argument?
Why should I bother talking to you when you have already had your conversation with me in your head?
Far more fun just to shit on you. Not like any of this is actually important political discourse.
I will give you some real advice though, get back to .zip, you’ll have more fun there.
Unless you just enjoy whining at us.
Nearly every piece of media can be considered propaganda. There is not a TV show, movie, or even song that does not contain elements of propaganda. Furthermore, propaganda is not inherently bad, only who is saying it and what they are saying can be bad, or good for that matter. For example, it’s extremely propagandistic to say “oppression is for shit and Nazis need to be disappeared hard,” so you yourself are spouting propaganda. But it is not wrong and indeed that is a good thing to say. If you want to use a definition for propaganda that it must be a lie or presenting something as factual when it is not, fine, but then none of these games are propaganda, they’re just role playing in different made-up scenarios (and yes, even games based on historical events, you are still playing made-up scenarios).
If someone were to say that they simply don’t enjoy role playing (as in a video game) where they are killing another person, that would be fine. I think it’s rather limiting and maybe a bit hypersensitive, but that’s their prerogative and I would never get on someone’s case who drew that line for themselves. If it feels bad to kill someone in a game, and you don’t want to do that, ok, I get it. But that’s not what you’re doing here. You’re not saying “it doesn’t feel good to me to pretend to kill someone even in a video game” you’re saying “these video games are political with respect to who is killing who,” well yeah, so is every single fucking game where you’re killing! So in this sense, you’re really not much different from the CHUDs who whinge “keep politics out of my games!” because those games don’t align with their own highly political standards of games needing to have white, male, cis/heteronormative, neurotypical, able-bodied, capitalist-realist perspective. Are you opposed to playing the Wolfenstein games because you kill nazis in them? That is very much propaganda, but it is good propaganda, which you should recognize since you yourself correctly state that “nazis need to be disappeared.” The exact same thing can be said for the two games at the top of the OP image that you are pearl-clutching about not being willing to play because they are propaganda. Can you really not see your ridiculous double standard?
It is very much a good thing to “push propaganda” of an oppressed group fighting for their liberation while it is a disgusting but overwhelmingly common thing to push propaganda where the so-called good guys are soldiers for imperialist hegemony.
Also, this is mostly beside the points above, but anyone who says, “I see reality for what it is” does not in fact see reality for what it is. It is impossible to fully model reality in our minds, we all have no choice but to view reality through certain lenses and those lenses need to be constantly adjusted to more closely model reality. This may be a bit nitpicky and it is getting into philosophical, epistemological tangents, but it really does irk me when someone can’t recognize their cringy hubris by claiming to “see reality as it is” as if everyone else, including those who have spent years and even decades studying political theory, can’t see reality for what it is.
To your Wolfenstein point, I don’t play those games either.
Cyberpunk is absolutely political. So is Warhammer. While I absolutely hear and appreciate your point, I do still have an internal consistency that doesn’t translate well to this particular forum without the level of analysis and response which you have provided because for the most part I am reactive rather than proactive, an issue which is a lifelong struggle.
As far as my internal consistency, it is the level of animosity towards an actual, extant group of people; I said that I much prefer the fictional groups for death rather than extant, and the less likely they are to exist the more comfortable I am with simulating murder of any kind because it is therefore that much further removed from reality.
Star Wars is literal space Nazis modeled on the American Empire and I never disputed the core message. I also said straight up I prefer the space magic and cool designs. I also rather love Dune and The Expanse and BSG Trek and many others which all have political statements but little bearing on modernity when viewed as art, just like most entertainment.
Let us also note that we are comparing passive media to active simulations. I can watch a movie or show and decide for myself if it is entertaining and if I like the politics. I actually rather dislike BSG compared to everything else I listed because of the strong religious undercurrent. It bothers me on several levels including the writing of it all (you had to reach for Jesus to come up with a good ending? Fuck that shit) but I can still appreciate it as a whole work. Meanwhile, the games listed are entirely based on you and a gun and everyone in front of that gun. Is it historic? Cool, I can appreciate that if not like it.
No, I’m not saying the Nazis could be reasoned with. Nor can Trump. Fuck them, burn them, kill them, erase all but the lessons of them from history.
Don’t glorify and gamify murder. Fuck that.
ETA: Also, thank you for being the thoughtful one.