• NotAnOtter@lemmus.org
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      It’s more like you need someone to watch your kid and your options are a pedophile or someone who merely is merely attracted to children but never acted.

      And you’re exhausted trying to convince people that 1) the first guy is a pedophile 2) yes, if you are forced to pick, the second guy is preferred 3) but the second guy is awful and you should also hate him too 4) there IS a third guy that we all pretend doesn’t exist for some reason

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      Not really. They are more “fuck the guy on the left, he didn’t make implement my favorite policy the last time, and he said this one thing this one time, I will never vote for him”.

      Crickets about the guy on the right.

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        I’ve literally argued with people saying it’s better not to vote and we should let conservatives win so people will get mad enough to revolt. Eventually.

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          I think it’s a level of naive optimism to think society will collapse and we’ll make something better, other than the harsh reality that this will continue plodding on. Real change is slow, and unglamorous.

          It’s like the people who believe and really want the rapture to happen, so they don’t have to cope with their everyday life.

          “Don’t worry, The Revolution will come any day now, no one knows when, and it’ll make things All Better.”

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          Yeah, people just voted for the incompetent serial bankrupt demented whiner a second time…

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          Accelerationism is rational if you assume the country is doomed. But I don’t think that assumption is rational.

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              There is a version where the worse it would be the more rational it becomes to accelerate there faster

              1. As a protective measure for your kids. Similar to the motivations for many civil wars
              2. If you’re going to be miserable, hungry, on the run, etc. you have a better chance of surviving that at the age N than N+10, for all N > 15. Better to start the misery now and adapt while you are younger. You might even get to see the other side for sufficiently small N.
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          ugh, I’ve had some success by arguing you should at least deface a ballot. Why assume they’ll know you’re mad and not lazy. If 10% of people wrote in “fuck all y’all” you might actually get people trying to win over their vote.

          “You showed up for the protests didn’t you? You didn’t just assume they got the message did you?”

          But man it’s like talking to a wall

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              If you truly, truly don’t believe either vote makes a difference, doing nothing is still worse.

              Anything is better than nothing.

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            Robots that scan ballots don’t give a shit about your scribbles and will just not count the vote.

            Then you’re back to accelerationist nonsense

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              Defaced ballots are counted. Not towards any party but they are recorded.

              I’m not saying it’s a silver stake, I’m just saying it clears the ever low bar of being better than “not voting at all”

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              If 10% of people defaced their ballot this would be a international scandal. The ‘champions of democracy’ have at-scale revolt in their democratic process.

              Think J6 but worse in terms of recognition. We are still talking about J6