Title is pretty explicit, what do you think about separating church (or religion as a whole) from the state?

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    10 days ago

    Alas it’s true, but the post wasn’t asking only about revolutionary praxis.

    The World would be better without religion.

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      Yeah but i feel like repression wouldn’t work, we should just keep educating people and generation by generation faith will slowly stop being a thing

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        You don’t need feelings. You have evidence. The Bolsheviks thought they should abolish religion to free the masses. It was an error and did not properly match reality. Religious repression as a blanket policy had to get walked back in the first ever communist experiment. We learn from history.

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          And then the cultural revolution made the same mistake in China.

          We’ve tried, multiple times, to forcibly excise religion and spirituality from the human condition and it never ends well.

          Now we’ve got multiple AES states discovering and demonstrating that a robust education system does most of the work of curbing the harm that religion can do. An educated populace naturally comes to the consensus that religion and spirituality should not be involved in the mechanisms of state, even when the majority individually still practice some form of spiritual or superstitious belief.

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        from what i have observed, the path to curtail the influence of religion seems to be:

        1. lessen or remove hardships, people tend to turn to religion when they believe no one else can help them
        2. education, to lessen the more bigoted and reactionary currents
        3. enforcing speech laws on the clergy to stop them being a privileged class

        religion and spirituality itself isn’t really a problem, it’s the influence of it that is the issue


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          Ive seen people say they don’t mind jesus teachings so much but rather dislike his fanclub for how they use it to oppress others

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          religion and spirituality itself isn’t really a problem, it’s the influence of it that is the issue

          believing things that aren’t supported by evidence or contradict reality is a problem even if it’s not at the level of a powerful social institution. we would have eradicated measles were it not for those freaks. people forego medical treatment or deny it to their children over these beliefs.

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            Lol, I want to see Marxists justifying a religious nut becoming a revolutionary leader. Wait, aren’t they? Wouldn’t a superstitious freak find his way into the CC in the Party? And do they know about it? Those guys are also political agents: they want hegemony as well. So no, I don’t believe education and better material conditions are enough to get rid of them.

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              Wouldn’t a superstitious freak find his way into the CC in the Party?

              what is CC?

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                Central Commitee in a Communist Party. As a centrist, what did you think it was? Like, making a wild guess?

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                  Central Commitee in a Communist Party.

                  thank you.

                  As a centrist, what did you think it was? Like, making a wild guess?

                  I didn’t think anything of it. I just forgot. although I am a centrist (more specifically a moderate radical centrist), I sympathize with socialism.