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Stealth (on f-droid) has a web scrapper mode that should work over the api changes. Can someone confirm?
Not sure what QuantumBadger is going to do with RedReader but I’d follow suit tbh :(
You forgot my boi Infinity
Infinity is goated, completely open source!
I truly hope that mods just stop and let all of Reddit overflow with garbage bot posts. Let them try to IPO with a site full of useless garbage.
Absolutely unreal. This should seal the fate of Reddit.
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I am inclined to agree with you but moderators seem to have a stake in this. If they can’t do their jobs, then Reddit will see a noticeable decline in community engagement.
If we’re partitioning user engagement from the growth in echo chambers, Reddit’s seen continued drop off in community engagement for nearly a decade now. This only marks the bigger nail in the coffin.
I did a little research a few days ago, and it seems like reddit has grown their userbase upward of 40% since the site redesign in 2017. I think they are banking on most “average” users not even realizing that third party clients or old.reddit even existing. They are more than willing to sacrifice power users who avoid ads for oblivious users who don’t.
I think they ran the numbers and went with “We can still make money after pissing off half of our userbase, and we can expect many of the pissed off members to be so addicted they won’t actually walk away.”
I think they also see this with every major game boycott. Gamers are notoriously unable to stick to their principles and keep paying for games that undermine their “demands” as gamers. While a vocal minority stick to their guns, most gamers who claim to want to boycott games end up buying and playing them. Hogwarts Legacy is a great example of where the boycott basically did fuck-all and many who claimed to boycott ended up buying the game anyway.
I qualify as a gamer and it is indeed quite hard because of the “easy” dopamine shots you get from playing. But speaking for myself, I quitted and actively boycott the Fifa games to this day.
I used to play alot from fifa 09 -12 and stopped at fifa 13 because of the predatory practices of the FUT implementation. It was close to totally random, costed alot of money and it only counted towards the specific game you got.
For example: If you got Fifa 12 and spend all that cash in FUT within Fifa 12, guess what? In Fifa 13 you can start all over again. Miss me with that sh*t.
I hope that for some people this can be a first and after the “first” it gets so much easier to stand by your principles.
I use(d) RIF for as long as I can remember and Reddit can put their ridiculous practices in a place where the sun doesn’t shine.
My account is gonna be retiring with RIF, wiped clean and that is it for me regarding Reddit.
Also my first comment in the Fediverse is the name(?) ;)
That’s great for you and I’m with you on not buying predatory games, but isn’t FIFA incredibly profitable?
If you look at FIFA as an example, you should conclude that reddit isn’t going to lose a significant number of people. This and reddit should have gambling if they want to make money, lol.
Of course, Fifa is very profitable even to this day. The FUT mechanics have gambling mechanics (loot packs etc…) it is why it is such a sh*t and predatory system.
The action I took personally wasn’t about a delusion of me thinking that just me was gonna make an impact.
But businesses count on people not taking action because of the mentality “What would change?” and “Just me boycotting doesn’,t matter so why would I?”.
It is much more about putting up a boundary for yourself and enforcing it. I didn’t feel like supporting a company that put out such predatory practices so the thing that I can do is to vote with my wallet, which I did.
If I cannot even do the above myself than I have no right in lecturing others.
I don’t know how much people will leave Reddit but I have no reason to stay and fund their endeavors.
The thing that I do know is when businesses have a monopoly for a service/product they provide the money isn’t gonna go to benefit the user but to maximize profits.
The users of Reddit are gonna get railed in the end, one way or the other.
Gamers are notoriously unable to stick to their principles and keep paying for games that undermine their “demands” as gamers.
Some of us stick to our principles, and because some of us do, everyone gets to enjoy a few more indie games every year.
“Gamers” and Gamers are two different things. Only “Gamers” ever said they wanted to boycott games, but much like Reddit’s userbase, “Gamers” are only 30% of all Gamers.
I feel like if you want to boycott a game but really can’t resist the urge to play it the least you could do is just pirate it instead of buying it
Piracy is often one of the few ways to playtest a game without having to spend money to find out you don’t like it.
It used to be you could get a demo of a game to try it out, but that stopped being a thing a while back…presumably because game studios know their games suck and don’t want people to realize it until it’s too late.
@dingus @raresbears, or worst, spend money to find out that the game don’t work in your PC.
Piracy is one possibility, but other is to look for good Giveaways, which are often in Steam or GOG. Also some very good free games out there, like this one (one of my favorite of all time).
https://www.thedarkmod.com/main/
As much as I hate to, I totally agree. People will grumble and eat their shit sandwich if it means things mostly stay the same from their perspective.
They are going IPO. They are expecting investors to pay 10-15 BILLION DOLLARS for Reddit. Those investors are going to want to extract several times that from the Reddit userbase. Up until this point, Reddit has not been concerned about even breaking even.
Reddit has changed dramatically in the last ten years but it’s nothing compared to what is about to happen. Reddit is not the product. Reddit’s users are the product. And right now, they are going up for sale to the public for exploitation. The pig is finally being taken to the market. Shit is going to change.
Didn’t Yahoo sell for some ridiculous price like 12 billion dollars a few years back? If someone is willing to pay that for a basically dead legacy site, I could see someone doing the same for reddit, especially with all their pro corporate, pro advertising changes as of late.
Reddit is nothing without content, and a lot of active posters and subreddit moderators use third-party apps and bots. Even if it’s a small percentage of Reddit users, it’s the most engaged users.
Most of the changes will happen behind the scenes as they usually do. Reddit rarely conducts it’s extremely underhanded shit out in the open, unless the publicity is going to be unavoidable.
Most typical users have no idea what Apollo is, and I imagine most of the engagement is still from the mobile site with the official app taking the next biggest piece of the pie. Anyone commenting on this site now is in a very specific tech bubble.
Anyone commenting on this site now is in a very specific tech bubble.
And it may be better that it ends up this way. Tech people at least in my experience, tend to be more balanced and level headed discussing topics outside of tech, than people who are single-issue, obsessed with other topics.
If only… I would love nothing more than for it to become Digg 2.0.
When I clicked the link I got a pop up on the website prompting me to view this trending conversation on the reddit app,oh the irony…
Makes literally no sense to me that Reddit couldn’t afford to provide a price exception to 3rd party apps that have helped grow their community and website over the years. I’ve been using Reddit Is Fun for almost a decade now, and I’m not switching to their official app.
Companies are getting too comfortable when they have no competition. Really hope a Fediverse alternative will kick off like Mastodon did (ironically I’m placing my bets on kbin even though I use Lemmy. Seems like the simpler alternative that’ll be easier to invite people over).
You can’t charge apps differently for the same stuff or people will sue you.
Reddit wants to bring them all down. I wouldn’t be surprised if they take down the entire API in a year to save money.
What are you talking about? Anyone working in B2B sales know there are no such things as list prices. Everything is negotiated.
You can. Companies do it all the time. Being grandfathered in is why people still pay pences on their cellphone plans from major providers, for example. I don’t think it’s the answer in this particular scenario, though.
I’ve never had an issue with the main app or site myself, and have been on Reddit for like 15+ years now? Fuckin forever IDK. I’m still down to bail for Lemmy, I support everyone who finds use in 3rd party apps plus I’m tired of bonkers bans and power hungry mods while ridiculous shit gets left up as A-OK.
I’m actually on a 7 day ban right now, for “abusing the report feature.” The linked report they provided as proof of abuse? A comment they had just messaged me to tell me “We agree this has violated TOS and have removed the violating content.”
So…“You’re right, that DOES break the rules…But could you STOP FUCKING MAKING US PRESS TWO BUTTONS ALREADY?!”
ah shit. This massively sucks.
It would be cool to see Christian develop a lemmy client, kind of like how Tapbots made Ivory after the Twitter API closed down.
That’s, so sad. Apollo has so many users that are going to be heartbroken. Feel bad for Christian.
‘EXODUS - Movement from Ja people.’
First comment in the Fediverse. Fuck Reddit.
fuck reddit
W comment.
Befitting first comment. <3.
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Well, this was exactly the outcome Reddit was aiming for with the exorbitant pricing. They want to force everyone to use their app. I hope it backfires on them.
What they’re actually forcing everyone to do is use Lemmy, Kbin, etc.
I use Sync, but I can only imagine it’ll be the same story there. It sucks, and I can’t stand to use Reddit any way but through third party apps.
Mm, I use(d) Slide personally, which is more-or-less abandonware at this point. I expect that’ll just get its API user disabled by the dev, so it “doesn’t work” any more.
The first one to fall, unfortunately. The conversation the Apollo Dev had with the admins seemed pretty bleak. I’m slowly accepting that Reddit needs to die. As a Redditor, we built it. We can kill it.
As a Redditor, we built it. We can kill it.
Maybe. But it may well be, that Reddit has enough momentum to keep going with the shitload of dummy users who don’t care about third party apps or quality.
For all we know, half the users over there (re)posting content could be bots that continue indefinitely, reposting more and more popular content from other sites like TikTok with more bots leaving comments that they stole from other posts. Reddit could in theory continue operating even with zero actual users.
True, but bots might also no longer be feasible with the API pricing. So they even alienate that!
I feel lots of people say “Who cares about 3rd party apps?” don’t realize the mod community also heavily relies on 3rd party apps. So high chance of the quality of subreddits going downhill regardless. Either way, anyone using Reddit still should be looking for a way off the platform.
I currently enjoy the amount of users in Lemmy. It’s a nice community now that feels like the old internet days.
So I hope not too many people swap over.
Well that seals it. I’m here for good. I’ll even commit now that if Lemmy doesn’t work out, still not going back.
Heck, by the time we’d know for sure that Lemmy isn’t working out, there’d be no content left on Reddit to go back to.
It’s already much busier here than it was a couple days ago, though; I think we’ll be alright.
Yeah. Lemmy doesn’t need to be Reddit sized by tomorrow. For now we can just enjoy an older style of smaller forum community. All we can do is keep popping in to Reddit and letting people know about Lemmy. Keep helping people understand the decentralized structure. Keep fostering a welcoming and engaging community. Eventually we’ll grow and I truly suspect we can outpace Reddit. It might be years or even a decade before that happens, but I believe it will happen as long as we keep this community active and growing.
I’m quite happy to enjoy a smaller community with higher quality comments again.
The next couple of weeks are going to be ROUGH here. New instances spinning up, and existing ones grinding to a halt under the weight of new users. This is going to be a hell of a stress test.
But it should also make this space truly viable for users. We should expect more people to bounce than to stay, but it’s starting to look like we’ve already crossed a critical threshold for sustainability.
I’d rather the growth here be much more organic and discovery driven, than by a mass exodus of users from another platform all rushing in. Mobile app’s were ‘far’ from being the only reason to leave Reddit.
Same, but the exodus wave is coming. It’ll recede again, just like it did with Twitter and Mastodon, leaving some lovely seashells in its wake.
I expect it to be similar to Mastodon but perhaps not quite as big. That said, that service has flexed pretty well thanks to the tireless efforts of many instance maintainers. Hopefully a similar passion and level of support emerges here.
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