Ok then, so what’s your solution? I’m still gonna vote for the lesser evil, while still organizing and doing direct action, to reduce harm unless presented with an alternative.
Maybe a candidate that’s good? You could run for an office.
Edit: essentially I mean for the situation at hand, especially with this upcoming election, what else can we do?
The solution is Ranked Choice Voting. Anyone can run and voters rank all the candidates. So if you put Stein (for example) first and she doesn’t get enough votes, your vote then goes to your second choice, and so on. It lets you vote the way you really want it to go, not just strategically.
Ranked choice/instant runoff voting is not doing a lot for Australia. The “left” major party is centrist at best, the “right” major party is drifting further right and the only minor party of note is basically Nazis.
This lazy dismissal seems to be your standard go to comment every time you can’t think of a coherent response. Perhaps it is you that needs to step away from the internet.
Ok, maybe I wasn’t clear, so I apologize, I’m talking about the situation as it is, like with this election.
Edit: I think maybe getting people to run who will change things for racked choice voting is a good strategy long term, and we could and should work for that
You just keep doing what the bumper sticker says, obviously. You vote for the red and they hit you and rob you, vote for the blue and they rob you nicely.
How is this hard for people?
Republicans do what they want and the Democrats ask us to vote for them a little harder and, eventually, they will be able to do something, as long as precedent isn’t broken, as long as it’s the “high road”, as long as it’s not something the parliamentarian can override, etc…
currently,
-hakeem is secretly meeting with kushner. He is also taking Thiel money and setup and AI “regulations committee” with other Dems who take Thiel money.
-AIPAC Dems are funding AIPAC Republicans over actual left candidates
-tammy duckworth says that we shouldnt impeach and should work WITH the traitornazirapistpedophilicwarcriminals.
Can you please explain to me how voting for the “lesser” evil is helpful?
Whatever side you are on, unless it is the billionaires, the USA dies when Elon was allowed to take every bit of our most sensitive data and secrets. We are talking about the Pentagon, OPM, and Social Security. Unknown foreign agents with ILLEGAL access, downloaded it all to external servers and I stalled AI and code.
On top of this, our government has been revealed to be a majority of foreign paid agents from Israel that have blackmailed the worst of our politicians into doing their bidding.
These tech Nazis have been given actual military units and ranks, and now Palmer Lucky and Elon Musk will be overseeing killing, autonomous drones that may or may not have nukes.
But there’s an election happening I’m not not going to let Republicans take office while I still can vote.
So while we’re all gearing up for the downfall of the American government, I’m going to vote for anyone who’s got a chance of winning against Republicans.
It’s not going to magically fix the system. I’m not under any pretense it’ll fix this mess.
But I’m going to do everything I can, and that includes voting.
I will be forced to vote for AIPAC and genocide too. And then our slim margins will always mean “you don’t want another trump in here!”
Maybe it will wake people up when no one from MAGA is really punished or he doesn’t accept the results and there is no one to enforce the law. I think we will just reenact everything from Iraq again.
So people who don’t vote actually dont endorse a candidate. This is a bit of an advanced piece of politics, but the way voting in the US works is you vote for a candidate and if you dont vote for someone, then they dont get your vote.
Your logic rests on an assumption that the democrats are owed your vote, which they aren’t. Had Harris won, then you wouldnt be saying the people who didnt vote passively endorsed her, but they would have done that just as much.
Those who don’t vote are in fact doing the opposite of endorsing anyone, they are signalling apathy with the system.
Not really, no. Your ahistoric approach to politics where you only think of the specific immediate moment is how we got here, and that thinking is how we stay here.
There are plenty of viable alternatives with a decent organisational structure already. One way to help them grow is to vote for them, and that is better use of a vote than wasting it on fascist genociders.
Ok then, so what’s your solution? I’m still gonna vote for the lesser evil, while still organizing and doing direct action, to reduce harm unless presented with an alternative.
Maybe a candidate that’s good? You could run for an office.
Edit: essentially I mean for the situation at hand, especially with this upcoming election, what else can we do?
The solution is Ranked Choice Voting. Anyone can run and voters rank all the candidates. So if you put Stein (for example) first and she doesn’t get enough votes, your vote then goes to your second choice, and so on. It lets you vote the way you really want it to go, not just strategically.
K, we don’t have that option though.
Ranked choice/instant runoff voting is not doing a lot for Australia. The “left” major party is centrist at best, the “right” major party is drifting further right and the only minor party of note is basically Nazis.
How are the greens nazis?
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You seem angry and not great at comprehending the topic at hand. Maybe step away from the internet for a bit.
This lazy dismissal seems to be your standard go to comment every time you can’t think of a coherent response. Perhaps it is you that needs to step away from the internet.
Ok, maybe I wasn’t clear, so I apologize, I’m talking about the situation as it is, like with this election.
Edit: I think maybe getting people to run who will change things for racked choice voting is a good strategy long term, and we could and should work for that
Ranked choice voting as a topic comes up every 2-4 years. Then no one does anything about it after the election is over.
If you want it so bad, do whatever you can to keep the conversation going between elections.
A handful of jurisdictions have tried just that, it’s absolutely wild.
You just keep doing what the bumper sticker says, obviously. You vote for the red and they hit you and rob you, vote for the blue and they rob you nicely.
How is this hard for people?
Republicans do what they want and the Democrats ask us to vote for them a little harder and, eventually, they will be able to do something, as long as precedent isn’t broken, as long as it’s the “high road”, as long as it’s not something the parliamentarian can override, etc…
currently,
-hakeem is secretly meeting with kushner. He is also taking Thiel money and setup and AI “regulations committee” with other Dems who take Thiel money.
-AIPAC Dems are funding AIPAC Republicans over actual left candidates
-tammy duckworth says that we shouldnt impeach and should work WITH the traitornazirapistpedophilicwarcriminals.
Can you please explain to me how voting for the “lesser” evil is helpful?
Ah so you think the third of the country that didn’t vote was based and revolutionary, not just passively endorsing Trump.
No. I’m saying we need something new.
Whatever side you are on, unless it is the billionaires, the USA dies when Elon was allowed to take every bit of our most sensitive data and secrets. We are talking about the Pentagon, OPM, and Social Security. Unknown foreign agents with ILLEGAL access, downloaded it all to external servers and I stalled AI and code.
On top of this, our government has been revealed to be a majority of foreign paid agents from Israel that have blackmailed the worst of our politicians into doing their bidding.
These tech Nazis have been given actual military units and ranks, and now Palmer Lucky and Elon Musk will be overseeing killing, autonomous drones that may or may not have nukes.
We lost, we aren’t voting our way out of this
Ok
I get that.
I really for sure get that.
But there’s an election happening I’m not not going to let Republicans take office while I still can vote.
So while we’re all gearing up for the downfall of the American government, I’m going to vote for anyone who’s got a chance of winning against Republicans.
It’s not going to magically fix the system. I’m not under any pretense it’ll fix this mess.
But I’m going to do everything I can, and that includes voting.
I will be forced to vote for AIPAC and genocide too. And then our slim margins will always mean “you don’t want another trump in here!”
Maybe it will wake people up when no one from MAGA is really punished or he doesn’t accept the results and there is no one to enforce the law. I think we will just reenact everything from Iraq again.
This can’t go on
So people who don’t vote actually dont endorse a candidate. This is a bit of an advanced piece of politics, but the way voting in the US works is you vote for a candidate and if you dont vote for someone, then they dont get your vote.
Your logic rests on an assumption that the democrats are owed your vote, which they aren’t. Had Harris won, then you wouldnt be saying the people who didnt vote passively endorsed her, but they would have done that just as much.
Those who don’t vote are in fact doing the opposite of endorsing anyone, they are signalling apathy with the system.
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Because the only political action one can take is vote, alright
You dont contribute to “lessening” evil by voting for a genocider.
You talk about sitting out of reality, yet you exist in some fantasy land where democrats haven’t made everything much much worse
The only one that matters in the current reality. Yes
Not really, no. Your ahistoric approach to politics where you only think of the specific immediate moment is how we got here, and that thinking is how we stay here.
There are plenty of viable alternatives with a decent organisational structure already. One way to help them grow is to vote for them, and that is better use of a vote than wasting it on fascist genociders.
How did that third party vote work last time. Or the time before that. Or the time before that…etc etc etc.
Your fantasy vision is not reality. It is your fantasy. And your inability to see the difference is incredibly dangerous