Pretty sure donald was the eviler of two evils. The evilist of many evils.
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Pretty sure more than half of these elections we’re choosing the worse evil
well i mean were we supposed to choose the greater of two evils?
We as a society need to make posting AI slop as much of a taboo as, like, pissing on the side of a building. It should be something that you just don’t do as a matter of decorum.
Not really, because if people consistently choose the lesser evil. Like if 90% voted for lesser evils, then the other party would have to change things up, or there could be a new party that would have a chance of winning because they’re competing for that 90% of people and no way would the evil party win.
But no, problems isn’t choosing lesser evil, it’s that significant people still choose evil
I have a feeling without that, the evil would have reached a lot sooner.
I’m pretty sure we elected the worst of all evils
Should we have chosen the greater evil?
I don’t understand. We’re bush, Nixon, Reagan and trump the lesser of 2 evils? I’m pretty sure they’re the cause of the current MAGAstan government.
- The Clintons convincing Trump to run as a candidate got Trump elected.
- Hillary Clinton’s pied piper strategy, which resulted in him getting billions in free advertising, got him elected.
- The DNC refusing to primary a candidate that nobody wanted that was backing and funding a genocide is what got Trump elected.
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I think committing genocide is bad, even if someone else is also doing it, and I think its bad to reward someone for committing a genocide.
It didn’t matter what Trump did or did not do. The fact is that you allowed the Democrats to keep doing it, and then to reward them for their bad behavior, you decided to try to elect them again. That’s how US politics has become so fucking dysfunctional. You reward bad behavior.
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Then dont run your mouth on American politics of you dont want people to engage with you on us politics
What is your source for the Clintons “convincing” Trump to run? According to Politico "What the sources from both camps agreed upon, however, was that Clinton did not urge Trump to run. " https://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/report-bill-clinton-talked-with-donald-trump-as-he-was-considering-white-house-run-121052
From that article: “an aide to Clinton said the 2016 race was never specifically discussed and that it was only a casual chat.” The closest thing in the article to Clinton encouraging Trump to run is that they say the conversation was “upbeat.”
I feel like you are reading too much into that.
And we feel like you are not reading into it enough. It’s one big club and we ain’t in it.
Maybe OP is just starting highschool?
Seem to be missing a few administrations there. Though I notice BlueMaga liberals are basically having to memory hole every democratic president for the last forty years because “if you just vote us in we’ll stop the Republicans!” Doesn’t convince anyone when they look at what democrats actually did in office
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So instead of blaming the system that gave us two parties, you blame the voters who had no choice but to vote for two parties?
~Sounds solid. 👍~
Seriously. Someone let me know when we’re getting off the internet and rioting.
Someone let me know when we’re getting off the internet and rioting.
I heard they were just waiting for you, man.
You’re talking to Americans here. Fucking cowards aren’t even willing to block traffic or occupy buildings. The mere suggestion of a response that’s a step or two beyond that, approaching something halfway proprtionate? They’ll piss their pants in fear, clutch their pearls and start attacking YOU more forcefully than they’d ever come at MAGA.
A perfect example of this is what happens when you suggest voting third party.
In the US system voting third party IS clown-brain shit, though.
Smarter than voting for genociders
Nope, it’s really not. There’s nothing stopping third parties from winning except for takes like yours.
This is fantastically stupid, we’ve seen the duopoly successfully attack third party candidates before, there’s a whole lot more in the way than the attitudes of random voters
Good intentions mean nothing. Outcomes matter.
And the outcome of voting for dems is genocide
You’re talking to Americans here. Fucking cowards aren’t even willing to block traffic or occupy buildings.
What country are you from again?
A fun aspect of the American dream is if you fuck around too much you can lose your job. Which I’ll bet true everywhere but an added bonus is you also lose your health insurance and some people need health insurance to stay alive
Not blocking traffic in a country where running over protestors is fine is not cowardice.
Try protesting armed maybe?
It sure as fuck is.
Have you seen American police? They have machine guns, tanks, and air support. They’ve been trained to see citizens as the enemy for years (see Warrior Cop Training).
And your move is to… keep allowing this and keep your head down?
Congratulations. You have agreed to a political morality where the government’s entitlement to your obedience increases in direct proportion to how willing it is to fucking kill you.
Look, I’m old and have serious health issues. Your comments are ableist and simplistic. I’m not going to unilaterally sacrifice myself.
No they’re completely right, plenty of old people throughout history have managed not to be fucking cowards
Americans, forever unable to imagine collective action except as a series of unilateral individual decisions. Okay, great- clearly your best move, then, is to shit-talk direct action in spaces where people considering it are likely to gather.
If you don’t want to put your comfort at risk, fine. Very least you could do is not actively contribute to the problem.
You don’t really understand American life. We work ourselves nearly to death because our unions have been broken and gutted and demonized, we have no decent healthcare and we still have to spend an unacceptable amount of time and money for it, most of us are enslaved by the cost of our enormous cars and by housing that is increasingly exploited by private equity, and we are constantly barraged by divisive propaganda and suspicion campaigns. This all results in a populace that is spent. You may experience some of that, but you cannot imagine the totally of it, which is why it seems so easy for you. Maybe your age is also a factor?
Either way, I’m not changing any minds here. There’s not enough upvotes to worry about, so your complaint seems like looking for a moral panic to pin on me, which is pretty funny.
plus it’s objectively wrong as exemplified by the last election
really it seems like it’s blaming people for just voting & hoping, instead of organizing and building a movement. voting for the lesser evil is not enough.
voting for the lesser evil is not enough.
Evolution can’t work if we back-slide.
just voting & hoping, instead of organizing and building a movement.
Let us know when your clip airs on the news.
Evolution can’t work if we back-slide
Like, for example, if we let a cop run the country? I agree. Let’s force the DNC to back more progressive candidates instead of more conservative ones. Signalling that you’ll vote for literally anyone with a D next to their name only incentivizes them to appeal to the right.
One sec, I’m getting a premonition… You’re going to tell me to ”vOtE iN pRiMaRiEs" as if the DNC doesn’t have a monumental sway in which candidates end up on ballots. I do vote in primaries, for the record
Evolution can’t work if we back-slide.
“the lesser” evil is still evil, it is still a backslide in your line of argument
Let us know when your clip airs on the news.
Let me know when your strategy of voting for genociders stops the genocide
There are always other choices, but those might possibly require actual work and personal risk so they’re too scary for the voter brain to handle
It doesn’t help that the two big parties made it so that only the two big parties get coverage at debates and other nationally televised stuff.
There is also the problem that for presidential elections, the electoral college are the ones who actually choose the president. And, while the college usually chooses based on the will of the people, they are by no means obligated to do so.
There are, of course, other issues too. But it is worth reiterating that it is not my, nor your, fault that things are the way they are.
~I do lay a lot of blame these days on Alito and Citizens United.~
You chose to confine yourself inside that box.
No more than you, who does nothing but complain loudly.
So instead of complaining and bringing attention to a subject we’re supposed to shut up and comply? How good of an authoritarian view you have there.
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Bringing attention to a problem is fine (even though I’d wager we’re all painfully aware of this one already). But blaming the victims is not. So there’s that.
Fucked up to talk about victim blaming in relation to someone critiquing the democrats
How so?
We the people are the victims of a two party system that suppresses our will due to corporate interests. The dems are not innocent in this problem. They are the lesser of two evils, but they are still considered evil (e.g., Kyrsten Sinema, John Fetterman, Chuck Schumer, et all). Meaningful change by us normal people is intentionally difficult; not impossible, I admit, and people Like Mamdani are helping, but the bar is set very high and very expensive.
“…[my] choosing…” is blaming me (and every American) for things I fundamentally have no control over. I do what I can locally, but AOC, Mamdani, and Bernie I am not.
It also really sucks when a member of congress from some other state/district pushes and enacts some imposing change that affects people in other states/districts, and the people in the other states/districts can only write letters/make calls to their reps and if they’re lucky they may receive back some canned form letter written by a staffer. I’m projecting on that one, but I suspect my state and district aren’t unique in that problem.
So yeah, I ask again, how so?
I am not wasting my time reading all that. Joe Biden is a rapist who killed the MeToo movement, the democrats are enacting a genocide and people can vote third party. Pretending like you’re a “victim” when you vote for genociders is insane. And its fucked up to appropriate language used to describe what happens to women who come forward about sexual assault, to shield yourself from critique for voting for rapist genociders.
It’s not like picking the worse evil would get you to a better place either.
who said anything about that?
Good thing there’s other choices, then.
Ok then, so what’s your solution? I’m still gonna vote for the lesser evil, while still organizing and doing direct action, to reduce harm unless presented with an alternative.
Maybe a candidate that’s good? You could run for an office.
Edit: essentially I mean for the situation at hand, especially with this upcoming election, what else can we do?
The solution is Ranked Choice Voting. Anyone can run and voters rank all the candidates. So if you put Stein (for example) first and she doesn’t get enough votes, your vote then goes to your second choice, and so on. It lets you vote the way you really want it to go, not just strategically.
K, we don’t have that option though.
Ranked choice/instant runoff voting is not doing a lot for Australia. The “left” major party is centrist at best, the “right” major party is drifting further right and the only minor party of note is basically Nazis.
How are the greens nazis?
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You seem angry and not great at comprehending the topic at hand. Maybe step away from the internet for a bit.
This lazy dismissal seems to be your standard go to comment every time you can’t think of a coherent response. Perhaps it is you that needs to step away from the internet.
Ok, maybe I wasn’t clear, so I apologize, I’m talking about the situation as it is, like with this election.
Edit: I think maybe getting people to run who will change things for racked choice voting is a good strategy long term, and we could and should work for that
Ranked choice voting as a topic comes up every 2-4 years. Then no one does anything about it after the election is over.
If you want it so bad, do whatever you can to keep the conversation going between elections.
A handful of jurisdictions have tried just that, it’s absolutely wild.
You just keep doing what the bumper sticker says, obviously. You vote for the red and they hit you and rob you, vote for the blue and they rob you nicely.
How is this hard for people?
Republicans do what they want and the Democrats ask us to vote for them a little harder and, eventually, they will be able to do something, as long as precedent isn’t broken, as long as it’s the “high road”, as long as it’s not something the parliamentarian can override, etc…
currently,
-hakeem is secretly meeting with kushner. He is also taking Thiel money and setup and AI “regulations committee” with other Dems who take Thiel money.
-AIPAC Dems are funding AIPAC Republicans over actual left candidates
-tammy duckworth says that we shouldnt impeach and should work WITH the traitornazirapistpedophilicwarcriminals.
Can you please explain to me how voting for the “lesser” evil is helpful?
Ah so you think the third of the country that didn’t vote was based and revolutionary, not just passively endorsing Trump.
No. I’m saying we need something new.
Whatever side you are on, unless it is the billionaires, the USA dies when Elon was allowed to take every bit of our most sensitive data and secrets. We are talking about the Pentagon, OPM, and Social Security. Unknown foreign agents with ILLEGAL access, downloaded it all to external servers and I stalled AI and code.
On top of this, our government has been revealed to be a majority of foreign paid agents from Israel that have blackmailed the worst of our politicians into doing their bidding.
These tech Nazis have been given actual military units and ranks, and now Palmer Lucky and Elon Musk will be overseeing killing, autonomous drones that may or may not have nukes.
We lost, we aren’t voting our way out of this
Ok
I get that.
I really for sure get that.
But there’s an election happening I’m not not going to let Republicans take office while I still can vote.
So while we’re all gearing up for the downfall of the American government, I’m going to vote for anyone who’s got a chance of winning against Republicans.
It’s not going to magically fix the system. I’m not under any pretense it’ll fix this mess.
But I’m going to do everything I can, and that includes voting.
I will be forced to vote for AIPAC and genocide too. And then our slim margins will always mean “you don’t want another trump in here!”
Maybe it will wake people up when no one from MAGA is really punished or he doesn’t accept the results and there is no one to enforce the law. I think we will just reenact everything from Iraq again.
This can’t go on
So people who don’t vote actually dont endorse a candidate. This is a bit of an advanced piece of politics, but the way voting in the US works is you vote for a candidate and if you dont vote for someone, then they dont get your vote.
Your logic rests on an assumption that the democrats are owed your vote, which they aren’t. Had Harris won, then you wouldnt be saying the people who didnt vote passively endorsed her, but they would have done that just as much.
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Because the only political action one can take is vote, alright
You dont contribute to “lessening” evil by voting for a genocider.You talk about sitting out of reality, yet you exist in some fantasy land where democrats haven’t made everything much much worse
The only one that matters in the current reality. Yes
Not really, no. Your ahistoric approach to politics where you only think of the specific immediate moment is how we got here, and that thinking is how we stay here.
There are plenty of viable alternatives with a decent organisational structure already. One way to help them grow is to vote for them, and that is better use of a vote than wasting it on fascist genociders.
