• Mommy Longarms@sh.itjust.works
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    17 days ago

    Always a man still isn’t true. Women do horrifying, bigoted shit too. They just aren’t taken as seriously when they do it.

    Men aren’t some different species from women.

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      17 days ago

      Women do horrifying, bigoted shit too. They just aren’t taken as seriously when they do it. Men aren’t some different species from women.

      Why aren’t claims of women doing horrifying, bigoted shit taken seriously? It’s because women very often lack the power to do horrifying, bigoted shit effectively. Men are also assumed to have such a disproportionate amount of power that it shouldn’t be possible for them to be victims. As you point out, this is bad for both men and women.

      Men are, generally, given more power (and often power over women)in a majority of scenarios. Men are also trained by culture and society to have certain expectations (from the society around them and the women present in it). This all comes together and results in a disproportionate quantity of bad shit being done by men (and often to women). The whole system needs fixing.

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        17 days ago

        I mean men generally have more power than women, but that doesn’t mean all men have more power than all women. It doesn’t make sense to assume men can’t be victimized, because reality doesn’t support that.

        What you should expect to see is that men are generally the perpetrators, and women are generally the victim. I don’t know about you, but that’s pretty much what I see.

        I don’t know why so many people are so willing to die on the hill of “THE WORLD IS BLACK AND WHITE, THIS GROUP BAD, OTHER GROUP GOOD”. Like I don’t understand how people jump from most to all so easily without even a moment of cognitive dissonance.

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          17 days ago

          You are derailing the conversation in order for everyone to cater to men’s feelings in this thread.

          No one is saying that all men are rapists. Most rapists are men. Do you really not see the difference there?

          • Mommy Longarms@sh.itjust.works
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            17 days ago

            The fact that all men and most men aren’t the same thing is my entire point.

            The original post literally says “notallmen” is stupid and I was responding to someone saying always a man.

            Wtf are you talking about?

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                  17 days ago

                  Women do exist on the internet and we’re fucking pissed about being raped. Deal with it.

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                    17 days ago

                    Of course women exist on the internet, I’m one of them. I’m also pissed off by rampant rape culture. But the “Always a man” bullshit (the comment I was originally responding to) isn’t helping.

                    It doesn’t matter how justified your anger is if you can’t point it in the right direction.

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      17 days ago

      So heres a thought experiment for you to try:

      How many male on female gang rapes have you heard of.

      How many female on male.

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        17 days ago

        I mean, I can hardly remember a significant sample size of specific events of gang rape.

        And way, female on male sexual violence is taken even less seriously than the reverse. Many countries don’t even legally consider it rape.

        Pretending that male victims or female perpetrators don’t exist is only covering for rapists.

        Like, obviously, the majority of reported sexual assault perpetrators are men, and the majority of sexual assault victims are women, or that unreported cases likely follow the same trend. But the idea that it’s always a man is objectively false.

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          17 days ago

          I can hardly remember a significant sample size of specific events of gang rape.

          Take a look at India.

          And way, female on male sexual violence is taken even less seriously than the reverse. Many countries don’t even legally consider it rape.

          This is also because of the patriarchy. It hurts both men and women with it’s demand for strict gender roles.

          But the idea that it’s always a man is objectively false.

          Good thing this post very specifically points at that we know it’s not all men.

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          17 days ago

          No one is pretending male victims dont exist, or that women can’t be perpetrators. Claiming that is muddying the waters

          Men are overwhelmingly perpetrators of sexual crimes. If you get upset by people pointing this simple fact out, or have to challenge it with “what about female sexual violence” , you need to sit with yourself and ask why.