I used to believe racism in the United States was overstated.
Sure, it existed. But it’s not something widespread. Common. The claim americans are racists is ridiculous.
Well…I was wrong.
"Zohran Mamdani is a terrorist"
"Mamdani supports ISIS and HAMAS"
"New York City faces sharia law"
"Mamdani wants to MURDER jews"
The amount of shit published about this guy is absolutely insane.
He recently attended the 9/11 memorial ceremony.
At some point, he greeted congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and smiled for 5 seconds.
Immediatly, politicians went wild
Senator Ted Cruz:
Congresswoman Mary Miller :
Speaker Mike Johnson:
Here is the video. You can clearly see that he was stoic. He hugged her. Then he immediatly went back to being stoic.
Dude smiled 5 SECONDS in a 5 hour ceremony and they accuse him of celebrating 9/11
At the same ceremony, JD Vance and Howard Lutnick laughed and joked.
No one cares. They are white.
The US is more racist than I ever imagined.
America isn’t the way it is because of Trump.
Trump is the way he is because of America.It’s more like “Trump didn’t shit on the floor, he just raised the carpet the turds were already there.” IMO
I mean, I agree there were turds in the carpet already, but Trump absolutely did shit on the floor, whether figuratively or otherwise…
I dont think this is true. The people in power are racist assholes and they own all the media now. So the average american is innnundated with lies. If all you hear is one side of the argument then you will believe that side. That is human psychology. The people in power know that which is why they use this tactic and why it is so powerful.
Fucking finally. Yes!
Social media is a caricature. It doesn’t represent reality, don’t buy any of it.
But the racism is real, deep, and more subtle but scary. It’s shit said behind closed doors in my family, and that has left terrible imprints on generations.
Ted Cruz is the Senator for the State of Texas. This isn’t a fringe county clerk in Mississippi.
He is one of the 120 most powerful people in the US. Senators have more power than representatives. The only people more powerful than a Senator are the President, Senate Majority Leader and Supreme Court.
What he says absolutely matters.
“I like Ted Cruz more than most of my other colleagues like Ted Cruz. And I hate Ted Cruz.”
- Al Franken
It matters, but it doesn’t matter if it’s crazy because it’s Twitter.
Cruz is looking to insert himself into drama, which will get him attention, which is the only thing that matters on Twitter. This is a strategic tweet; I wouldn’t be surprised if one of his campaigners formulated and posted it on purpose. TBH, I’d do something like that if I worked for him.
In other words… It’s a fake. It’s all fake.
Ted Cruz is the Senator for the State of Texas.
He loves being white.
There are 100 senators.
Yes he said one of 120 most powerful people in us including supreme court and president.
There are 9 SCOTUS justices. That assertion still does not pan out.
White culture in the US is very sensitive to overt racism. they really detest it. but if you let them, with a nice little cloth to hide behind, they will be the most grossly racist people you’ve ever interacted with. every news story about ICE harming brown children warms their hearts, as long as they don’t have to see it or do it, or be told about it in a public place, that would be embarrassing.
Edit: dear white culture enthusiasts, feel free to keep telling on yourself, I’m here for it.
This is so true. I grew up in the deep south and everyone in my family was racist save for one uncle. All the rest, except for my dad believed they weren’t racist. My dad was the most honest of the bunch. He was deeply racist and he would talk openly about it with us. We argued for years, but it never got loud.
But the weird thing is my dad could also recognize that racism was used by the Republicans to get people to vote against their own financial interests. And one really weird thing is when my dad died, he had several black and Latino friends who were devastated by his passing. They never knew he was racist. He didn’t have a problem being friends with other races he just genuinely bought into white supremacy, but without all the hate. He was a weird guy.
My other family members, however, will insist they aren’t racist while simultaneously saying that most Muslims are terrorists, Hispanics are lazy and Blacks are dumb. They vote against “socialist” programs they like because “those minorities and illegals will just use it all up and make us go bankrupt.”
I live as close to Canada as I can and wish I realized when I was younger that I should emigrate. Now I’m too old.
Occasionally I will go south for business or to visit and it breaks my heart every time. The racism is so deeply ingrained that most people down there don’t see it, but once you do see it, you can’t unsee it.
That’s also been my experience. Most racists that I am aware of think that being a racist means that you are a “bad person” and since they are not “bad people” they can’t possibly be racist.
I would argue that there are many, many people who are racist to their very core, but they’re not evil or bad people. You don’t have to hate to be a racist. You don’t have to murder people or burn crosses on their front yard or hang out with rednecks in white bed sheets to be a racist.
You can have friends of other colors and invite them over for dinner and go to games with them and treat them exactly like you treat every single other person around you and still be racist. You can sleep with people of other colors, spawn children with them, and raise those children in a happy family, and still be racist.
Racism is not an action. It is a belief.
If you believe that people of other colors are different from you in anything other than melanin content and possibly a handful of relatively minor bone structures, then you have at least some racism in you.
But explaining that to your family over Thanksgiving dinner is incredibly difficult and at best unproductive.
Racism is not an action. It is a belief.
I’d say it’s a spectrum of belief and behavior or actions. For example, people can do racist things without realizing it.
It has been my experience that the people who are less honest about their racism tend to be the worst.
Being in the south already fucks with your head. I’m convinced that a lot of the hyper religiosity in the white south is overcompensation for the sin of slavery. You can see it in a lot of the laws they make trying to downplay slavery because it hurts the feelings of white kids (and makes white parents uncomfortable). They know it was fucked up but rather than fix the systemic inequities that exist as a holdover of those days, they’d rather keep the inequities, tell themselves racism is long gone(except for those democrats) and pat themselves on the back.
I agree. Like, I’m Native American. Brown skin, black hair, the whole works.
I myself realized that I was being racist to black people. I would start talking in AAVE when I met them, because I had the preconceived notion that that was a way for me to ingratiate myself into the in-crowd.
I never used the N-word, I do want to be clear about that, but I did not act like myself around the black people that I was familiar with.
The funny thing is, when I realized I was doing that, I stopped doing it, and then, I actually developed real friendships with black people instead of just acting friendly with them.
People can tell when you’re being authentic. My fundamental core is not racist (at least as far as I am aware), but I practiced racism out of self-ignorance.
I’m sure there are other areas where I carry racism, and I’m working on it when it presents itself.
i think it has to do with alot of media/propaganda, that shows AA “as slovenly, welfare queens, poor and prone to crime and violence” and of course intentional legislation to make them that way.
At the risk of being inadvertently racist myself, I’d like to share some thoughts about Native Americans. Please forgive me if I cross the line or come off as offensive. I’m just trying to understand. I’ll probably fuck this up.
There’s still a hell of a lot of dysfunction among native peoples, most of which stems from historic oppression, genocide, etc. However it seems to me that tribal leadership has not helped your people out nearly as much as it could and often seems predatory itself. Humans being what we are it seems to me that cashing in on casinos has helped a few at the top rather than everyone else. I am I off base here?
Another thought, and this doesn’t apply to Native Americans only, is that there is a great focus on “traditional” knowledge, rituals, stories etc… Now I’m an atheist and tend to be pretty skeptical about all religion(and to a lesser degree culture) so from my vantage point(and coming from a place of ignorance about Native American life) a lot of this focus seems to work to hold your people back. I get the sense that if instead of focusing on the past, which could very well be a flawed and inaccurate understanding of the past, you focused on education and made that the pride of your people, you’d be able to stand taller and take less shit from the dominant culture. I’m thinking of something like, “Oh yeah most Natives are doctors”, or “Native Americans are very serious about science”.
One culture I am familiar with is black culture in America and I feel similarly about the assumption that all black people go to church and are religious. I understand that embracing Jesus was necessary during slavery but at some point don’t people realize they had adopted a slave religion designed to keep them from agitating about their circumstance?
I suppose most people don’t really think about these things much and just live their lives unexamined, which is sad because it just helps those who prey on us without us realizing it.
However it seems to me that tribal leadership has not helped your people out nearly as much as it could and often seems predatory itself.
This is actually common across post colonial societies. The book Why Nations Fail by Nobel Laureate Daron Acemoglu explains it well. Colonial powers left behind extractive institutions in non white polities whereas inclusive institutions were built wherever they stayed. It is very difficult to counter institutional momentum so the new elites often perpetuate the cycle of extraction started by settler-colonialism. Such extractive institutions promote corruption. That’s not even taking into account neocolonial activities by prior beneficiaries of colonialism.
An example of an extractive insitutional practice on indigineous reserves is federal land trusteeship and the lack of full property rights. This means that residents cannot use their real estate as collateral to secure commercial bank loans or mortgages. Economists refer to this landlocked wealth as “dead capital” because it cannot be leveraged to start businesses, build credit, or generate local economic growth.
I question a causal relationship between religion and prosperity or that religion is a hindrance to agitation. MLK Jr and Gandhi were deeply religious and are amongst some of the most notable agitators of the 20th century. Ultimately what it comes down to is oppurtunity and we continue to live in a world where being born brown or black means you almost certainly, on average, have less.
I question a causal relationship between religion and prosperity or that religion is a hindrance to agitation. MLK Jr and Gandhi were deeply religious and are amongst some of the most notable agitators of the 20th century.
Religion can be used in many ways, you point out another use for it. In fact, it is often because of the safe spaces afforded to religion that allow such agitation to occur.
I should point out that MLK jr. strongly felt that non violent protest alone wasn’t going to cut it. He valued Malcom X’s rejection of non violence as a necessary counterpoint to his movement. From what I understand he felt it was necessary for white America to see that things could go horribly, violently wrong, but he wanted to lead with peaceful protest and didn’t want to be associated with the violent alternative that could dominate if things didn’t change in a positive way. Basically he was giving white America a choice, “We can make change in a civilized, respectful manner, or we can have chaos and violence”.
One major lesson from both of these men and movements that I wish the protestors of today would recognize is that often protest itself is not going to cut it. You have to get a televised beat down from the cops in order to sway the masses. Public unnecessary suffering changes minds pretty quickly. When you see well dressed people marching in a non threatening manner insisting on reasonable change get attacked violently by the authorities, most people will recognize that injustice and react. This happened with the beginning of the Arab spring when that man set himself on fire in protest. Oppressors always want to sanitize and hide their most extreme violence against the oppressed.
As far as Native American politics go, I feel like applying Western ideology to Native Americans is very much the literal definition of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
All of the other things I’ve said about race aside, there very much is a strong cultural portion of each individual person’s makeup, and Western society has never understood the Native American.
As a whole, taken over the full course of time, Western society has always either infantilized, bastardized, or romanticized the Native American existence, the psyche, the soul.
And so when you see Native American societies failing to thrive in Western society, it is almost always a consequence of that failure rather than some sort of flaw with Native society.
Capitalism is not a cure-all. It does not fit everyone.
And when it encounters a people it does not fit with, it forces itself to either destroy them or conform them.
we had a native american Professor at a university i used to go to, he is still extremely bitter towards US-people, especially the govt that did not keep the promised made to his people.
Oh yeah, I’m with you on the critique of capitalism.
But I often wonder how much native culture is new, pretending(or wrongly believing) to be old. I have found that some cultures believe they have very old traditional practices and foods, which turn out to have modern origins. I think a lot of cultures pigeonhole themselves into this mindset of “we’ve always done it this way, therefor it’s sacred and inviolable”.
An example is fry bread. Fry bread is often treated as a wonderful part of native heritage, not only in the US but across the world. But in almost every case, it is a food brought about by colonialism.
I am reminded of an experience I had as a small child watching a Native American dance with all the feathers and such and at first I was fascinated but as I started thinking about it I felt sad because it looked to me that these people were dancing for the whites. And it all could have been bullshit made up 300 years ago to sooth the invaders. A common theme I see among colonized people is using religious belief as a way to shield oneself from further incursions. Because that’s one thing most people will respect and back off from. “Oh you have deeply held religious rituals about X, well we should probably relax a little bit”.
All cultures change and grow, I strongly believe that insisting a given culture has been unchanged for millennia is a foolish proposition, especially if there is no written record. But even with one. It’s like saying species don’t evolve over time because you haven’t seen any changes in your lifetime or your grandparents lifetime. It is a common human mistake to make.
Thank you for being so generous with your time and thoughts.
racism is also an action and a belief. you do acts of racisms, like stereotypes of pOCs in media, that is an act of racism, hate crimes, racist media messaging.
I prefer to separate the racism from the action, but I will agree that racism is a belief structure that predicates an action.
If you have racism in you, and you treat people of other races exactly the same as other people, each time you do it, it is a voluntary choice to override your intrinsic racism rather than an abnegation of your racism itself.
If you have racism and you choose to capitalize on that racism and treat people of other races differently than you would treat people of the same race, then that racism is a voluntary choice to act in a different way than you normally would.
Just like with my choice to speak in AAVE to black people, I was doing that out of racism.
And since I have made the realization that it was a racist thing that I was doing, I have managed to stop doing it completely to the point where I don’t even think about doing it, so in that tiny one little section of whatever racisms I may be carrying, I have managed to eliminate the racism by identifying it and changing myself rather than choosing to act in a new way specifically for specific people.
It is, to me, my own personal validation of the phrase, “the first step to fixing a problem is admitting that you have a problem”.
he probably had some mental gymnasitcs going, “i can be friends with POCs, but im white so im better than they are, but i cant tell them because i will become a social outcast even amongst my non-racist white friends/family.”
He was brought up to be friendly and kind to everyone. His parents were rich; comfortable social interactions with everyone, even the help, was considered a skill everyone was required to master.
Idk Canada is pretty damn racist too. Just replace Hispanic and black people with Indian people instead.
Posts like these are just strawmen, and I know nobody here is going to agree, but it’s lazy and performative and who cares. Go protest, vote, and get more active than, oh look I found racism in America.
You never know if someone is just coming to awareness of these issues or not. I’d rather assume they’re young and learning and feel stirred to share what they’ve just realized.
Fair point. It’s difficult to wake up in America, I’ll say. So many people just want you to take their objective viewport that makes sense and makes everyone else wrong. We don’t want to be right, we just want to feel right. The other comments to OP is just a circle jerk, which is still antithetical to how we should be. Just seems like low level bait, not someone coming to a great personal discovery.
you wouldnt know if you were white, living in a white area and never encountered a poc.
I grew up not thinking about racial biases because I was white and in a 99.9% white area. There were no people of color in my school, so race never came up. My classmates had queer people to bully.
Then I went several states away for college and started noticing things. Even my mom, who would swear she wasn’t racist, thinks it’s fair that black men are incarcerated for far longer that white folks for comparable crimes.
Tangent: our area was so overwhelmingly white my little brother was confused when he first saw a black man in line at the grocery store. He asked my mom “what’s wrong with his skin?” My mom told the man “I’m sorry, he doesn’t get out much,” before explaining to my brother that people come in all sorts of colors. (not sure how old he was, but he was at least kindergarten-age.)
Wait until you visit countries where overt racism is the norm.
overt, but won’t spend decades fighting to make laws to stop the people that built the country from voting. strange dichotomy.
Oh? Many have very strict criteria for citizenship including limiting it to genetic decendents. Or licenses to work at all. Which doesnt mean they dont use plenty of illegal labor.
but usa is the most right wing western country(typified by our politics is mostly conservative so to speak), Middle east, ASIA, arnt western by any means they have thier own thing going on, and its a little more complicated, because it tends to be insular for each country, as they speak differently languages have different cultures.
western countries tend to be homogenized.
White people in America aren’t a monolith. Reneé Goode and Alex Pretti were white
i dont think they were doing white specifically, but USA as a whole is pretty racist. very right wing western country compared to other western countries. the most conservative governments too. it just happens that white people severely benefitted from being white and racist, and slavery, which they still do now.
and even non-racist whites benefitted socioeconomically from having white privilege.
Just to address your actual comment, you’re accusing me of treating white people as a monolith, but unfortunately if you read my comment, I didn’t. I said ‘‘white culture in the US’’. This tells me two things, you’re really upset someone might do something you’ve heard of being racist to white people, and you aren’t educated enough to know about how synonyms aren’t definitions, particularly when people are discussing cultural constructs like white identity in the US. white people aren’t a monolith? correct, that’s why I said white culture in the US, which is a thing outside of white people. White culture doesn’t mean ‘all white people in total’ clearly many people the government is willing to consider white, don’t care about white identity or superiority.
Your original comment is confusing then. I agree that whiteness is made up and meaningless aside from the power of perception and existing power structures. Your personification of white culture, mainly saying brown people suffering warms “their” hearts, is what hung me up.
Dude, I’ve had white people tell me in happy tones how much they yearn to go back to lynching. It’s not coming from no where and nothing. this culture that existed before of literally trying to genocide anyone not white enough isn’t suddenly gone, people are destroy civil rights for non whites right now. that culture still exists
I never said otherwise. I explained the source of my confusion, at this point all I will say is we largely agree with one another.
did someone pass a law that white people aren’t allowed to use public spaces or services?
What?
are there laws in place to stop while people from getting business and home loans?
Non sequitur and red herring
just making you uncomfortable, I know you guys hate that, but you gotta get it when you can. enjoy the discomfort and keep fighting that good white fight for everyone to shut up about racism and never talk about it so you can stay comfortable not thinking about it.
I never said that I hated people fighting against racism or that it makes me uncomfortable lol.
But fallacies should never be done and should never be tolerated, because they’ll mislead and are the very base of misinformation, disinformation and plainly crafted narratives.
I feel like this is a non sequitor, but no. I know the history of and do not deny redlining, Jim Crow, etc happened. That still doesn’t preclude the fact that plenty of white people are pissed about this Nazi ICE bullshit.
those aren’t white culture people, those are white people, there’s a difference. those are the good ones.
i noticed the “non-racist” parts of the us are racist under a mask, they dont like “confronting or talking about it”. even for lgbtq+ there is a racial hierarchy, its whites on top and they are often seen media of lgbtq+.
I refuse to believe that they are capable of shame
These are rich people fomenting a race war to avoid the much needed class war. Don’t fall for it.
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Not to simplify too much, but the “they’re eating the cats, they’re eating the dogs” guy won a national election.
That was really the moment that solidified for me that a significant portion of the people of this country are irredeemable.
I felt this way seeing how they treated Obama during his tenure. There was so much bullshit mudslinging, and at one point I said to myself: oh, it’s simple racism.
Funny, because my biggest complaint with him was that he didn’t address some of the worst abuses of the Bush years.
Dijon Mustard!? A tan suit!? C’mon those are clearly worse than the checks notes dismanteling of democracy that… oh… oh wow there’s so much more in these notes… wait a minute, rape? What does Jeffrey Ep… a war with Iran? And he… ALL US allies? Canada?!
Yeah. Thought we were kinda winning the war against homophobia, racism, and all that.
Before trump.
But then trump showed up, and he said he was going to drain the swamp. He accomplished that feat. Every horrible human being living in the slime at the bottom of the swamp took a big breath of air, rose up into the daylight, and make their presence loudly known.
I had no idea the seething mass of willful ignorance, hatred, selfishness, and racism existed as deeply as it did here. It was like people all took their masks off and said “Here I am, and I hate every good thing you stand for.”
Yeah… Trump sparked soo many debates in my private Catholic high school. Most were for Trump because thats how we were raised. Now seeing the absolute shit show he’s orchestrated I think we need to plan a pre-funeral type of activity so we can get to the funeral faster
Racism is the cornerstone of Republican power. its why they are so hostile to anything that threatens racism, like education, and empathy, and moral values.
As President Lyndon Johnson once said… “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”
Let’s not forget that non-white period can be incredibly racist, too. Asian cultures can be very racist as well, even against different Asian cultures, but especially against black, south Asian, middle eastern, central Asian (collectively, brown) folks. Asians often see themselves as"one of the good ones" workout realizating they’re in line after the black and brown people.
Am Asian. See and hear he racism from this side will the time.
so i would have said that the degree of racism was exaggerated like 10 years ago, but as it turns out, there was more shame involved with being racist but when trump declared he’s bringing open racism back, they all fell out of the wood work like they could finally breath after decades, and they are going to fucking tell you about it.
Racists and Republicans never had any shame. It simply wasn’t accepted in society, so they hid it. Now, they can make the most disgusting jokes and discriminate wherever they can. As long as they find the right employer and friends they’re golden.
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Why don’t you come to the South instead of thinking you’re the only real person online? People fucking suck. That’s the reason we’re online.
Be at funeral. See someone who you were not sure if they were coming. Ahh glad you could make it! Smiles when greeting them
Clearly happy the person died
This is the world view you get when you consume your current events via ragebait extremism algorithms. I’ve never met a single person that has shared these views.
You are very lucky, then.
Do you live in a city? There are plenty of racist numbnuts in the country and many of them will just assume you agree with them if you’re white
You’ve never met a racist? So plausible
Let’s all take a moment to remember that a lot of racist online accounts were unmasked as bots from Russia and other foreign countries.
Not saying that bigotry doesn’t exist IRL in the US (as an American myself I can confirm it absolutely does), but don’t judge a country by what its “citizens” are saying online.
This is very true, BUT also consider that they’re enabling and rallying the actual racists here to join together and fight for racism.
The person who posted this joined 23 hours ago.
This could not be a more obvious psyop that all of you are falling for.
Falling for? They’re not wrong. I wasn’t countering them, just adding flavor.
Are you saying the PsyOP that Russian and Chinese trolls aren’t trying to amplify discontent?
The PsyOp is convincing people of two things: 1) that every person who voted for Trump did it because they’re racist (as opposed to greedy, which is differently bad) and 2) that the majority of Americans are racist.
Enabling racists is bad, I’m actually not arguing against that. Racists may represent the U.S. right now, that does not mean that most Americans are racist.
The ven diagram of Trumpers and Racists isn’t a circle, but from 15 ft away it is.
It’s like the people who claim to be against genocide but support the Israeli government and claim it was self-defense.
If you don’t consider yourself a racist, and you hire a racist POS into office who immediately attacks anything even remotely non-white, (for a second time), you’re a racist too. The financials don’t read into it.
The majority of Americans might well be a little racist. Now we’re not talking about hanging people from a tree racist, but they’re cheering DEI being dismantled, against equity rights and are often noted as saying “those people”
You’re confusing racist people and racist systems that people live in.
Racist people piss themselves and we all have to smell it. Racist systems are pools where the water is deliberately 20% piss and we all have to live in it.
You choose not to physically remove the people pissing in the pool. Sounds like a “you” problem.
To be fair none of the racist fucks i have known ever posted racist shit on the internet, and didn’t say anything racist in public, but behind closed doors in a safe suburban home they would tell you what they thought. These are the people who say “it’s not polite to discuss politics” if they think you disagree with them, and they all vote, they want the far right world they just know it hurts people and they don’t want to get yelled at.
russian bots came on the scene suddenly on the reddit around 2016, right after trump won his 1st stolen election. i was calling out how news article are associated with russia quite alot, one of the first significant things happen in 2018, banning were becoming increasingly common of misconstrued critcisim of the conservatives. now every other large sub had become hypersensitive over the talk of potential racism in any form. Putin figured out early on they can use this as a distraction, and it worked.
I mean — immigrants and people of color, especially balck women, have been shouting at us for generations that we are a racist country.
We started as a racist country, we inspired other countries to be racist (al la Jim Crow inspiring Hitler).
We’ve ALWAYS been this racist, it was just that for a little while people were a bit more quiet about it.
I just think white people are really good at pretending bad things aren’t happening all around them, just as long as it’s not to them.
alot of cinema has help whites being white washed so they are never seen as done anything bad. they dont like be confronted about racism, or even talk about it.
also there are unresolved greviences between POCs
Ted Cruz would have taken a vacation if 9-11 had happened to Texas, he is a sniveling coward of a man.
that’s why he’s the best person to represent Texas in the Senate, It’s why they keep voting for him
