Insulting me for having a nuance that you fail to understand. Calling me a liar while i have been nothing but honest
It’s not nuanced, you’re defending death cults.
You are lying, and I highlighted each lie.
Contrary to popular belief, lies do not require intent. If someone else told a lie and you repeat it earnestly, I’m still hearing a lie.
It is blind because you refuse to see the difference between a book writen by one philosopher in one time versus one writen by a different philosopher in another time.
It’s not blind, because I see the text of the bible explicitly commanding abuse. You’re pretending it doesn’t exist, that it doesn’t cause harm, while people are dying as a result of others’ belief in it.
There is no such thing as a singular bible.
We are talking about christianity. The christian bible.
There is no such thing as a singular christian identity (which i am not part of)
It’s in the name. They believe in christ, magical savior human sacrifice whom they must submit to if they want to avoid punishment.
You seem to believe that there and that it somehow has the “magic” to turn people evil but i will tell you all the evils are man made and burning books is not going to help you at all.
Read the bible and stop putting words in my mouth. I’d be happy if the damn thing had a “fiction” label, but many real human beings are pretending it is true.
No i do not know the name of the book i read 22 years ago. Also its not in English.
Useless, then. Focus on my points.
You dont get to dictate what words mean, and if you try you will only find that everyone will stop listening to you.
Neither do you. Think really hard about what “christianity” means, what “christ” is in context.
More delusional and hateful then the average religious person.
Mr. Spiritual thinks I’m delusional.
MAGIC ISN’T REAL, DUMB FUCK.
I hate abusers, as everyone should. Stop defending them.
I am not delusional. There is evidence for my claims, but you keep rejecting it because you’re a lazy, selfish coward. Think harder. Look closer.
Your point is that some interpretations of the bible which is not at all the interpretation of modern christians somehow speaks for them.
No, my point is that every version of the bible explicitly instructs abuse, and many adults believe that.
The ones who try to find a nicer “interpretation” are still directly enabling the others. Magical thinking is deadly.
You want me to adress your point but you habe yet to provide a single coherent point except “old book = bad”
HAVE YOU READ IT? Do you think slave rape is good? God does, therefore christ does.
Christ is the character central to the philosophy.
That’s the problem. What is “christ”? According to the bible you keep ignoring, the one most people believe, christ is the human incarnation of an abusive god that we should all submit to.
The gnostics are against god but christ is still their main guy.
That’s really fucking stupid. “Christ” is rooted in god. We can talk about Jesus instead, but he’s also a piece of shit because he told deadly lies.
Please use your brain and stop outsourcing your thinking. Examine the foundations more closely, look beneath the labels.
Are these believes of magic in the room with us right now?
spiritualily is not religion nor is it magic, its simply a human experience. Meditation is an example.
Stop acting like an abuser so i can stop feeling that you need someone to defend you.
Think harder about what? Some dogmatic scripture you call the bible?
Lets see i think god is absolute evil just from jacobs story alone.
I also think authority or one human holding power over another is evil.
Do you think i think slave rape is good? Think harder. Use your brain.
Good to know you take specific offence to christ over Jesus. I already mentioned I suspected we where arguing sementics. I’ll say Jesus instead which is what i would usualy name the character. I only used Christ because you used it and i try to use the same terms to avoid confusion.
Are these believes of magic in the room with us right now?
You, “spiritual” dumbass.
spiritualily is not religion nor is it magic, its simply a human experience.
It’s the misrepresentation of human experience. Spirits aren’t real.
Meditation is an example.
Meditation is a thought exercise. It’s a mental activity, not a magical one.
Stop acting like an abuser so i can stop feeling that you need someone to defend you.
Stop defending death cults, dumb shit. You’ll get more like me.
Think harder about what? Some dogmatic scripture you call the bible?
YES. THE ONE CHRISTIAN FAITH IS BASED ON.
Lets see i think god is absolute evil just from jacobs story alone.
Then you understand why christ is an abusive concept.
I also think authority or one human holding power over another is evil.
Then stop defending fascism.
Do you think i think slave rape is good?
Yes, since you think christianity is acceptable amd christianity begins with slave rape.
Do you know why they’re called abrahamic faiths? Because abraham was one of god’s first chosen people.
Do you know how Abraham conceived his child, a line that supposedly led to Jesus?
It was slave rape, explicitly condoned by god.
Good to know you take specific offence to christ over Jesus. I already mentioned I suspected we where arguing sementics. I’ll say Jesus instead which is what i would usualy name the character. I only used Christ because you used it and i try to use the same terms to avoid confusion.
Spirituality isn’t magic your just arguing sementics of terminology you arent mature/sober enough to understand
Spirits don’t exist.
Did you know that having an alcohol dependency does not mean I’m drunk all the time?
You: “I want to be your friend.”
Me: “Here is what I am going through and why.”
You: “I’m going to immediately use that against you instead of engaging with your points.”
You should shut the fuck up.
It has nothing to do with spirits in a modern psychological context
THEN USE A BETTER WORD. Define “spirituality.”
Depending on which cult thats somewhere between 27 and 80 completely different books.
Your argument is a cherry picked needle in a haystack but go on smart ass i have detached myself from feeling sympathy and am curiouss.
No, shitbag, I did not cherry pick the most popular christian bible in the world, the best-selling book of all time. You are exercising willful ignorance by pretending it does not have significant influence.
Explain to me, what the concept of “christ” is.
I have. “Christ Jesus” means “the messiah Jesus”. In abrahamic religions, from judaism to christianity to islam, a messiah is a savior, heavenly sovereign, king of prophets. In judaism, upon which christianity is founded, the messiah is specifically a descendant of king David who will one day unite the tribes of Israel.
Christianity asserts that christ is the son of god and god the son, the same god from Genesis onward. The new testament claims that god sent himself in the form of his son Jesus to die as a sacrifice to atone for the world’s sins, because god has demanded blood sacrifices since the old testament. That’s the system he chose, for some reason.
1 John 2:
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
The famous John 3:16:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Luke 9, “die for me”:
For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will save it.
Matthew 3 affirms Jesus’s special connection with yahweh:
And behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”
Mark 1 emphasizes that Jesus is the messiah:
The beginning of the good news about Jesus the Messiah, the Son of God, as it is written in Isaiah the prophet
And it echoes Matthew 3:
And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
And it describes Jesus preaching the good news of yahweh the abuser:
Jesus went into Galilee, proclaiming the good news of God. “The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!”
What more would you like? Verses about his sacrifice, about sin?
After you are done think about who told you that/gave you the book that explained it and thinking about wether they where a good person/teacher.
That’s my point. They were death cultists, and you are directly enabling them by defending christianity. The bible is hate speech. Do not pretend otherwise.
There is no single agreed upon definition of spirituality, this one feels all right.
Spirituality is a broad human experience that involves meaning, purpose, and a connection to something larger than oneself
I told you i consider myself spiritual and you instantly went for the attack without even knowing what i mean with. So the gloves are off, The moment you started verbally abusing me again you get tit for tat.
But also your not the first person with this problem that i deal with in life.
Maybe i should start preaching about how alcohol is killing people and everyone who has an occasional sip enables abuse by alcoholics?
Or would the irony get lost on you?
On the actual topic of the bible versus.
So they are the “canonical gospels” after all. Those we have discussed do not even agree with eachother and who’s interpretation can change on a whim with a new pope.
Not exactly set in stone on top of a mountain is it (no i dont think those are real either)
That is very much cherry picking because I don’t know any sensible christian who takes those literally.
The people who told you that all christians take this stuff literally you already know are abusive liars. Do not believe them. They dont speak for the personal experience of others.
Stop allowing them to have a hold over you.
I bet the asshole that manipulated your parents is proud of you, their work. Spewing hate and attacking others of your class instead of the capitalist iceholes and ice who are only using religion as a cover and laugh in your face for taking the bait.
Also Stop telling people what to do and how to think you are the definition of a non religious zealot.
There is no single agreed upon definition of spirituality, this one feels all right.
Dumb fuck. THAT’S THE PROBLEM. If it is a real thing, describe it in real terms. My father believes the christian bible because it “feels right” despite evidence to the contrary.
STOP NORMALIZING MAGICAL THINKING, YOU ARE KILLING PEOPLE.
Spirituality is a broad human experience that involves meaning, purpose, and a connection to something larger than oneself
Bootlicking? “Larger” how? It’s meaningless bullshit because you want to feel special. You don’t need that.
I told you i consider myself spiritual and you instantly went for the attack without even knowing what i mean with.
Apparently I did know what you mean, your definition is pathetic.
So the gloves are off, The moment you started verbally abusing me again you get tit for tat.
Your death will be a relief to us all. I attack your arguments. I call you stupid because you reject logic. I call you selfish because you think your imaginary spirituality is worth more than my real life. I call you a coward because you side with the abusers instead of the victims.
Ayybe i should start preaching about how alcohol is killing people and everyone who has an occasional sip enables abuse by alcoholics?
Do it! It’s a bigger problem than people realize.
Or would the irony get lost on you?
I acknowledge it’s a poison. It’s exactly why I’m getting treatment for it.
Again, fuck off with your false equivalences. This is not a game, people are dying.
So they are the “canonical gospels” after all. Those we have discussed do not even agree with eachother and who’s interpretation can change on a whim with a new pope.
Have. You. Read. The. Text?
Not exactly set in stone on top of a mountain is it (no i dont think those are real either)
Literally was carved into stone at one point, dipshit.
Why are bibles still being printed, sold, and read with practically no changes?
That is very much cherry picking because I don’t know any sensible christian who takes those literally.
Here’s what you’re missing: no christian is sensible. They all believe in abusive blood magic. Dumbass.
The people who told you that all christians take this stuff literally you already know are abusive liars.
If a person doesn’t believe in christ, they should not call themselves christian.
Do not believe them. They dont speak for the personal experience of others.
I don’t take people at their word. I examine the evidence.
Belief in christ is harmful. Everyone should do better.
Stop allowing them to have a hold over you.
STOP DEFENDING THEM.
Do you think I “allowed” myself to be abused? No, I asked my parents not to hit me. They hit me and told me it was good for me until I had to believe it or they’d hurt me even more.
Did I choose a christofascist regime? No, I voted against it. But I was outvoted by a population too stupid to recognize that they’re acting against their own best interests. Many of them have been brainwashed by the same book as I was. The bible teaches them hatred as love, submission to authority.
Why are you pretending these connections don’t exist?
I bet the asshole that manipulated your parents is proud of you, their work. Spewing hate and attacking others of your class instead of the capitalist iceholes and ice who are only using religion as a cover and laugh in your face for taking the bait.
You’re pretending there’s one evil voice in their ears. We moved a lot and attended multiple churches. My mother even said, “it’s so hard to find a good church.” Yet we kept going anyway, because they think a bad church is better than no church.
I have listened to many different men yell at us about sin, hell, and redemption through christ.
It’s a bigger problem than you realize.
Also Stop telling people what to do and how to think you are the definition of a non religious zealot.
No. I will continue telling people to do better and why. That is how we save lives, not by rolling over and letting them slaughter us. If you had a spine, you’d join me. Say, wait a second… You’re a complete fucking hypocrite. You should “Stop telling people what to do and how to think you are the definition of a non religious zealot”. Fuck off.
And I’m not a zealot. I’m a human being trying to help other human beings, and you’re in the goddam way. Stop trying to dismiss me with bullshit labels and focus on the truth.
It’s not nuanced, you’re defending death cults.
You are lying, and I highlighted each lie.
Contrary to popular belief, lies do not require intent. If someone else told a lie and you repeat it earnestly, I’m still hearing a lie.
It’s not blind, because I see the text of the bible explicitly commanding abuse. You’re pretending it doesn’t exist, that it doesn’t cause harm, while people are dying as a result of others’ belief in it.
We are talking about christianity. The christian bible.
It’s in the name. They believe in christ, magical savior human sacrifice whom they must submit to if they want to avoid punishment.
Read the bible and stop putting words in my mouth. I’d be happy if the damn thing had a “fiction” label, but many real human beings are pretending it is true.
Useless, then. Focus on my points.
Neither do you. Think really hard about what “christianity” means, what “christ” is in context.
It’s a death cult.
More delusional and hateful then the average religious person.
Your point is that some interpretations of the bible which is not at all the interpretation of modern christians somehow speaks for them.
You want me to adress your point but you habe yet to provide a single coherent point except “old book = bad”
Christ is the character central to the philosophy. Thats pretty obvious.
The gnostics are against god but christ is still their main guy.
Mr. Spiritual thinks I’m delusional.
MAGIC ISN’T REAL, DUMB FUCK.
I hate abusers, as everyone should. Stop defending them.
I am not delusional. There is evidence for my claims, but you keep rejecting it because you’re a lazy, selfish coward. Think harder. Look closer.
No, my point is that every version of the bible explicitly instructs abuse, and many adults believe that.
The ones who try to find a nicer “interpretation” are still directly enabling the others. Magical thinking is deadly.
HAVE YOU READ IT? Do you think slave rape is good? God does, therefore christ does.
That’s the problem. What is “christ”? According to the bible you keep ignoring, the one most people believe, christ is the human incarnation of an abusive god that we should all submit to.
That’s really fucking stupid. “Christ” is rooted in god. We can talk about Jesus instead, but he’s also a piece of shit because he told deadly lies.
Please use your brain and stop outsourcing your thinking. Examine the foundations more closely, look beneath the labels.
Who are you arguing against?
Are these believes of magic in the room with us right now?
spiritualily is not religion nor is it magic, its simply a human experience. Meditation is an example.
Stop acting like an abuser so i can stop feeling that you need someone to defend you.
Think harder about what? Some dogmatic scripture you call the bible?
Lets see i think god is absolute evil just from jacobs story alone.
I also think authority or one human holding power over another is evil.
Do you think i think slave rape is good? Think harder. Use your brain.
Good to know you take specific offence to christ over Jesus. I already mentioned I suspected we where arguing sementics. I’ll say Jesus instead which is what i would usualy name the character. I only used Christ because you used it and i try to use the same terms to avoid confusion.
You, slimy dipshit.
You, “spiritual” dumbass.
It’s the misrepresentation of human experience. Spirits aren’t real.
Meditation is a thought exercise. It’s a mental activity, not a magical one.
Stop defending death cults, dumb shit. You’ll get more like me.
YES. THE ONE CHRISTIAN FAITH IS BASED ON.
Then you understand why christ is an abusive concept.
Then stop defending fascism.
Yes, since you think christianity is acceptable amd christianity begins with slave rape.
Do you know why they’re called abrahamic faiths? Because abraham was one of god’s first chosen people.
Do you know how Abraham conceived his child, a line that supposedly led to Jesus?
It was slave rape, explicitly condoned by god.
Right, that’s why CHRISTIANITY is a death cult.
For fuck’s sake.
Spirituality isn’t magic your just arguing sementics of terminology you arent mature/sober enough to understand
It has nothing to do with spirits in a modern psychological context
Depending on which cult thats somewhere between 27 and 80 completely different books.
Your argument is a cherry picked needle in a haystack but go on smart ass i have detached myself from feeling sympathy and am curiouss.
Explain to me, what the concept of “christ” is.
After you are done think about who told you that/gave you the book that explained it and thinking about wether they where a good person/teacher.
Spirits don’t exist.
Did you know that having an alcohol dependency does not mean I’m drunk all the time?
You: “I want to be your friend.”
Me: “Here is what I am going through and why.”
You: “I’m going to immediately use that against you instead of engaging with your points.”
You should shut the fuck up.
THEN USE A BETTER WORD. Define “spirituality.”
No, shitbag, I did not cherry pick the most popular christian bible in the world, the best-selling book of all time. You are exercising willful ignorance by pretending it does not have significant influence.
I have. “Christ Jesus” means “the messiah Jesus”. In abrahamic religions, from judaism to christianity to islam, a messiah is a savior, heavenly sovereign, king of prophets. In judaism, upon which christianity is founded, the messiah is specifically a descendant of king David who will one day unite the tribes of Israel.
Christianity asserts that christ is the son of god and god the son, the same god from Genesis onward. The new testament claims that god sent himself in the form of his son Jesus to die as a sacrifice to atone for the world’s sins, because god has demanded blood sacrifices since the old testament. That’s the system he chose, for some reason.
1 John 2:
The famous John 3:16:
Luke 9, “die for me”:
Matthew 3 affirms Jesus’s special connection with yahweh:
Mark 1 emphasizes that Jesus is the messiah:
And it echoes Matthew 3:
And it describes Jesus preaching the good news of yahweh the abuser:
What more would you like? Verses about his sacrifice, about sin?
That’s my point. They were death cultists, and you are directly enabling them by defending christianity. The bible is hate speech. Do not pretend otherwise.
No shit.
There is no single agreed upon definition of spirituality, this one feels all right.
Spirituality is a broad human experience that involves meaning, purpose, and a connection to something larger than oneself
I told you i consider myself spiritual and you instantly went for the attack without even knowing what i mean with. So the gloves are off, The moment you started verbally abusing me again you get tit for tat.
But also your not the first person with this problem that i deal with in life.
Maybe i should start preaching about how alcohol is killing people and everyone who has an occasional sip enables abuse by alcoholics? Or would the irony get lost on you?
On the actual topic of the bible versus.
So they are the “canonical gospels” after all. Those we have discussed do not even agree with eachother and who’s interpretation can change on a whim with a new pope.
Not exactly set in stone on top of a mountain is it (no i dont think those are real either)
That is very much cherry picking because I don’t know any sensible christian who takes those literally.
The people who told you that all christians take this stuff literally you already know are abusive liars. Do not believe them. They dont speak for the personal experience of others.
Stop allowing them to have a hold over you.
I bet the asshole that manipulated your parents is proud of you, their work. Spewing hate and attacking others of your class instead of the capitalist iceholes and ice who are only using religion as a cover and laugh in your face for taking the bait.
Also Stop telling people what to do and how to think you are the definition of a non religious zealot.
Dumb fuck. THAT’S THE PROBLEM. If it is a real thing, describe it in real terms. My father believes the christian bible because it “feels right” despite evidence to the contrary.
STOP NORMALIZING MAGICAL THINKING, YOU ARE KILLING PEOPLE.
Bootlicking? “Larger” how? It’s meaningless bullshit because you want to feel special. You don’t need that.
Apparently I did know what you mean, your definition is pathetic.
Your death will be a relief to us all. I attack your arguments. I call you stupid because you reject logic. I call you selfish because you think your imaginary spirituality is worth more than my real life. I call you a coward because you side with the abusers instead of the victims.
Do it! It’s a bigger problem than people realize.
I acknowledge it’s a poison. It’s exactly why I’m getting treatment for it.
Again, fuck off with your false equivalences. This is not a game, people are dying.
Have. You. Read. The. Text?
Literally was carved into stone at one point, dipshit.
Why are bibles still being printed, sold, and read with practically no changes?
Here’s what you’re missing: no christian is sensible. They all believe in abusive blood magic. Dumbass.
If a person doesn’t believe in christ, they should not call themselves christian.
I don’t take people at their word. I examine the evidence.
Belief in christ is harmful. Everyone should do better.
STOP DEFENDING THEM.
Do you think I “allowed” myself to be abused? No, I asked my parents not to hit me. They hit me and told me it was good for me until I had to believe it or they’d hurt me even more.
Did I choose a christofascist regime? No, I voted against it. But I was outvoted by a population too stupid to recognize that they’re acting against their own best interests. Many of them have been brainwashed by the same book as I was. The bible teaches them hatred as love, submission to authority.
Why are you pretending these connections don’t exist?
You’re pretending there’s one evil voice in their ears. We moved a lot and attended multiple churches. My mother even said, “it’s so hard to find a good church.” Yet we kept going anyway, because they think a bad church is better than no church.
I have listened to many different men yell at us about sin, hell, and redemption through christ.
It’s a bigger problem than you realize.
No. I will continue telling people to do better and why. That is how we save lives, not by rolling over and letting them slaughter us. If you had a spine, you’d join me. Say, wait a second… You’re a complete fucking hypocrite. You should “Stop telling people what to do and how to think you are the definition of a non religious zealot”. Fuck off.
And I’m not a zealot. I’m a human being trying to help other human beings, and you’re in the goddam way. Stop trying to dismiss me with bullshit labels and focus on the truth.