What the bible says doesn’t matter to religious people who don’t follow that bible.
I think it’s because of your protestant cult upbringing, where the pastor’s bible was absolute truth. That’s a particularly conservative strand, one that denies the Vatican any interpretive authority. Its official role is to interpret a closed revelation, one that supposedly ended when the last apostle died, not to speak as God. Not a defence, just factual information.
I’ve told you before that I’ve read about 3 different bibles. Both the catholic school I went to and my atheist parents considered all of them bibles. But to the extremists you’re talking about, all 3 would be condemned as heretical socialist texts that aren’t the bible at all.
A minority doesn’t get to describe a majority. If we allow that, we lose what we stand for, because people who are malicious will always twist it to evil.
On your nazi argument, compare it with communism. The USSR and the CCP both claim to be socialist and both murder any countering voices. The truth is they aren’t communist, because they have a political class separate from the people.
Fascists have always done this. Embrace, extend, extinguish. With Christianity it started with the Romans, who took three centuries of history that had held no centralised or institutional power and narrowed it down. what was left was the version where the afterlife is a threat you hold over people. This is what most resembles “a death cult”, an institutional invention and not the original philosophy.
It’s one of the reasons I got interested in the non-roman branches that warned against scripture, though those have been coopted by evil figures plenty of times too.
The roman cult, and especially the protestant branches, have done an insane amount of harm to people over the years. Yet the original philosophies survived all of it, and in a modern context, mostly in Europe, they’ve turned into the non theological and personal forms of Christianity that exist today.
It’s still called Christianity because the original stories use Jesus as the character who is the example of good. A bit like a mask in Greek theatre that tells you what the character stands for.
A lot of the good ideas are still there, not just in bible interpretations but in how people actually experience morality. Helping those in need, showing compassion without judgement, finding some personal peace in a chaotic world. None of that needs an afterlife to work, which is sort of the point.
I prefer “spiritual” myself, but I can’t fault people who are surrounded by likeminded rational people who all call themselves Christians for labelling the extremist an outsider and the church old fashioned.
What really made the difference is that people can now compare translations and read the different materials themselves instead of getting one interpretation from one source.
A majority of christians believe the bible, for fuck’s sake. Stop pretending my situation is some kind of fluke. Stop running cover for literal death cultists, abusers. Stop choosing death.
Three-quarters of Christians say they believe the Bible is the word of God.
While about four-in-ten Christians (39%) say the Bible’s text is the word of God and should be taken literally, 36% say it should not be interpreted literally or express another or no opinion. A separate 18% of Christians view the Bible as a book written by men, not God.
They hide their stupid beliefs or they take the cowardly approach of trying to leave every possibility open instead of having consistent values.
In 2014, about four-in-ten Christians (42%) said reading the Bible or other religious materials is an essential part of what being Christian means to them personally. An additional 37% say reading the Bible is important but not essential to being a Christian, and 21% say reading the Bible is not an important part of their Christian identity.
So 79% think reading the bible is important. The bible is hate speech. Please stop defending it and the people who consult it for guidance.
The USSR and the CCP both claim to be socialist and both murder any countering voices. The truth is they aren’t communist, because they have a political class separate from the people.
And you can see through their bullshit because of the evidence. Why can’t you do that for christianity? How many tales of parents abusing their children per the bible’s explicit instructions do you need to hear before you acknowledge it is a problem? Fuck you for throwing my life away, selfish coward.
what was left was the version where the afterlife is a threat you hold over people.
Again, HAVE YOU READ THE BIBLE? It has been a death cult since Genesis. Yahweh is an authoritarian death god. Christ is yahweh. Christianity is fascist.
It’s still called Christianity because the original stories use Jesus as the character who is the example of good.
This is the problem. Jesus is not good. It is not loving to demand complete submission under threat of eternal punishment. It is not loving to tell deadly lies.
I prefer “spiritual” myself
How selfish. Try using your brain. Magic isn’t real. Souls and spirits are not real.
What really made the difference is that people can now compare translations and read the different materials themselves instead of getting one interpretation from one source.
In every translation, in every version, it’s a fucking death cult.
Fuck you for choosing willful ignorance. Fuck you for choosing death for innocent people. The blood on your hands will never come off. The least you could do is stop fucking killing.
Stop pretending that the 75% of humans who are ascribe to some form of religion are all part of a death cult and none of them worth defending when they are attacked with blind hate.
You are conflating these numbers.
Using your numbers
42% says its important to them personally to read a form of bible (but we cannot even agree on which texts counts towards the definition of bible, not even Christians agree on that)
37% says its important but not essential to read the bible
There is going to be very strong overlap here, you cannot add these numbers up. Of course it
would be weird to call yourself Christian and never touch any of there philosophical texts.
Only 39% (which is like the exact number of the protestant branch which yeah deserves pretty much all you are throwing out here)
Claims the philosophy is a written by a magical being.
Its a big number but may i remind you that post-theism branches that rejected for example genesis, existed since before Protestant existed, before the roman church was founded.
They are still flow from the same philosophical source. Which is a handful of philosophical myths that describe the same story but also don’t agree with each-other. (At least one of them believed Jesus was a the human son of Joseph)
My first comment to you was to clarify that the bible and Christianity are an entire umbrella of different works, beliefs and ideas. You cannot pick one and claim it speaks for all of them. Not even the church agrees on it.
Like i said i have read multiple but you would not consider them bibles because they do not glorify death in any shape or form. The one i found most influential did not even mention the afterlife. It was just about a cool guy being trying to do what was right.
I don’t believe in magical thinking, i dont ascribe to doctorine in any shape or form.
Whats is selfish about correctly Labeling meditation a form spiritually?
Is that a bad word now too? If this hate is directed at every word that has some vague link to historical dogma i have bad news. But this does feel like arguing sementics (which i admit to often get caught up with, but so do you)
I am not and have never defended a death cults, no one of the many people i know is in a death cult, and it certainly is not what the majority christians are about. Citing a bible that is not the one they read/believe in is not going to change that.
Stop pretending that the 75% of humans who are ascribe to some form of religion are all part of a death cult and none of them worth defending when they are attacked with blind hate.
IT’S NOT PRETENDING AND IT’S NOT BLIND.
READ THE GODDAM BIBLE.
IT IS A DEATH CULT.
FUCK YOU FOR LYING ABOUT THIS.
FUCK YOU FOR CHOOSING DEATH AGAIN AND AGAIN. USE YOUR GODDAM BRAIN, YOU SELFISH PIECE OF SHIT.
Like i said i have read multiple but you would not consider them bibles because they do not glorify death in any shape or form.
Name them.
The one i found most influential did not even mention the afterlife. It was just about a cool guy being trying to do what was right.
BY LYING TO EVERYONE AND DEMANDING THEY JOIN HIS DEATH CULT. STOP SANEWASHING THIS.
I don’t believe in magical thinking
Evidently, you do, and as a result you are rejecting reality so you can preserve your deadly stupidity.
Whats is selfish about correctly Labeling meditation a form spiritually?
Because nothing is “spiritual”. It’s a bullshit word. Describe your experiences in the context of reality, please. By not doing so, you are normalizing magical thinking. You are enabling my parents and worse, all so you can feel Very Special.
You are very special. You don’t need the bullshit. Grow the fuck up and take a stand for the truth, your cowardice is KILLING PEOPLE.
Is that a bad word now too?
It’s a deadly mindset.
If this hate is directed at every word that has some vague link to historical dogma i have bad news.
STOP APPEALING TO POPULARITY. Just because many people have done it for a long time does not make it right.
And stop pretending I am the aggressor. I am defending real life against your fake, stupid bullshit.
I am not and have never defended a death cults
Liar, you’ve done it all throughout these comments and you’re still doing it.
no one of the many people i know is in a death cult
Liar, every christian you know is.
and it certainly is not what the majority christians are about.
Liar, it’s the definition of christ.
Citing a bible that is not the one they read/believe in is not going to change that.
The bible describes a death god, encourages everyone to join a death cult, and real people really believe it. What part of this are you not getting? STOP REJECTING EVIDENCE, YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT.
Here we go again.
Insulting me for having a nuance that you fail to understand. Calling me a liar while i have been nothing but honest
It is blind because you refuse to see the difference between a book writen by one philosopher in one time versus one writen by a different philosopher in another time.
There is no such thing as a singular bible. There is no such thing as a singular christian identity (which i am not part of)
You seem to believe that there and that it somehow has the “magic” to turn people evil but i will tell you all the evils are man made and burning books is not going to help you at all.
No i do not know the name of the book i read 22 years ago. Also its not in English.
You dont get to dictate what words mean, and if you try you will only find that everyone will stop listening to you.
Insulting me for having a nuance that you fail to understand. Calling me a liar while i have been nothing but honest
It’s not nuanced, you’re defending death cults.
You are lying, and I highlighted each lie.
Contrary to popular belief, lies do not require intent. If someone else told a lie and you repeat it earnestly, I’m still hearing a lie.
It is blind because you refuse to see the difference between a book writen by one philosopher in one time versus one writen by a different philosopher in another time.
It’s not blind, because I see the text of the bible explicitly commanding abuse. You’re pretending it doesn’t exist, that it doesn’t cause harm, while people are dying as a result of others’ belief in it.
There is no such thing as a singular bible.
We are talking about christianity. The christian bible.
There is no such thing as a singular christian identity (which i am not part of)
It’s in the name. They believe in christ, magical savior human sacrifice whom they must submit to if they want to avoid punishment.
You seem to believe that there and that it somehow has the “magic” to turn people evil but i will tell you all the evils are man made and burning books is not going to help you at all.
Read the bible and stop putting words in my mouth. I’d be happy if the damn thing had a “fiction” label, but many real human beings are pretending it is true.
No i do not know the name of the book i read 22 years ago. Also its not in English.
Useless, then. Focus on my points.
You dont get to dictate what words mean, and if you try you will only find that everyone will stop listening to you.
Neither do you. Think really hard about what “christianity” means, what “christ” is in context.
More delusional and hateful then the average religious person.
Mr. Spiritual thinks I’m delusional.
MAGIC ISN’T REAL, DUMB FUCK.
I hate abusers, as everyone should. Stop defending them.
I am not delusional. There is evidence for my claims, but you keep rejecting it because you’re a lazy, selfish coward. Think harder. Look closer.
Your point is that some interpretations of the bible which is not at all the interpretation of modern christians somehow speaks for them.
No, my point is that every version of the bible explicitly instructs abuse, and many adults believe that.
The ones who try to find a nicer “interpretation” are still directly enabling the others. Magical thinking is deadly.
You want me to adress your point but you habe yet to provide a single coherent point except “old book = bad”
HAVE YOU READ IT? Do you think slave rape is good? God does, therefore christ does.
Christ is the character central to the philosophy.
That’s the problem. What is “christ”? According to the bible you keep ignoring, the one most people believe, christ is the human incarnation of an abusive god that we should all submit to.
The gnostics are against god but christ is still their main guy.
That’s really fucking stupid. “Christ” is rooted in god. We can talk about Jesus instead, but he’s also a piece of shit because he told deadly lies.
Please use your brain and stop outsourcing your thinking. Examine the foundations more closely, look beneath the labels.
It’s literally what the bible says, and believers are killing people every day because THAT’S WHAT THE RELIGION IS ABOUT.
What the bible says doesn’t matter to religious people who don’t follow that bible.
I think it’s because of your protestant cult upbringing, where the pastor’s bible was absolute truth. That’s a particularly conservative strand, one that denies the Vatican any interpretive authority. Its official role is to interpret a closed revelation, one that supposedly ended when the last apostle died, not to speak as God. Not a defence, just factual information.
I’ve told you before that I’ve read about 3 different bibles. Both the catholic school I went to and my atheist parents considered all of them bibles. But to the extremists you’re talking about, all 3 would be condemned as heretical socialist texts that aren’t the bible at all.
A minority doesn’t get to describe a majority. If we allow that, we lose what we stand for, because people who are malicious will always twist it to evil.
On your nazi argument, compare it with communism. The USSR and the CCP both claim to be socialist and both murder any countering voices. The truth is they aren’t communist, because they have a political class separate from the people.
Fascists have always done this. Embrace, extend, extinguish. With Christianity it started with the Romans, who took three centuries of history that had held no centralised or institutional power and narrowed it down. what was left was the version where the afterlife is a threat you hold over people. This is what most resembles “a death cult”, an institutional invention and not the original philosophy. It’s one of the reasons I got interested in the non-roman branches that warned against scripture, though those have been coopted by evil figures plenty of times too.
The roman cult, and especially the protestant branches, have done an insane amount of harm to people over the years. Yet the original philosophies survived all of it, and in a modern context, mostly in Europe, they’ve turned into the non theological and personal forms of Christianity that exist today.
It’s still called Christianity because the original stories use Jesus as the character who is the example of good. A bit like a mask in Greek theatre that tells you what the character stands for.
A lot of the good ideas are still there, not just in bible interpretations but in how people actually experience morality. Helping those in need, showing compassion without judgement, finding some personal peace in a chaotic world. None of that needs an afterlife to work, which is sort of the point.
I prefer “spiritual” myself, but I can’t fault people who are surrounded by likeminded rational people who all call themselves Christians for labelling the extremist an outsider and the church old fashioned.
What really made the difference is that people can now compare translations and read the different materials themselves instead of getting one interpretation from one source.
A majority of christians believe the bible, for fuck’s sake. Stop pretending my situation is some kind of fluke. Stop running cover for literal death cultists, abusers. Stop choosing death.
They hide their stupid beliefs or they take the cowardly approach of trying to leave every possibility open instead of having consistent values.
So 79% think reading the bible is important. The bible is hate speech. Please stop defending it and the people who consult it for guidance.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/04/14/5-facts-on-how-americans-view-the-bible-and-other-religious-texts/
And you can see through their bullshit because of the evidence. Why can’t you do that for christianity? How many tales of parents abusing their children per the bible’s explicit instructions do you need to hear before you acknowledge it is a problem? Fuck you for throwing my life away, selfish coward.
Again, HAVE YOU READ THE BIBLE? It has been a death cult since Genesis. Yahweh is an authoritarian death god. Christ is yahweh. Christianity is fascist.
This is the problem. Jesus is not good. It is not loving to demand complete submission under threat of eternal punishment. It is not loving to tell deadly lies.
How selfish. Try using your brain. Magic isn’t real. Souls and spirits are not real.
In every translation, in every version, it’s a fucking death cult.
Fuck you for choosing willful ignorance. Fuck you for choosing death for innocent people. The blood on your hands will never come off. The least you could do is stop fucking killing.
Stop pretending that the 75% of humans who are ascribe to some form of religion are all part of a death cult and none of them worth defending when they are attacked with blind hate.
You are conflating these numbers.
Using your numbers
42% says its important to them personally to read a form of bible (but we cannot even agree on which texts counts towards the definition of bible, not even Christians agree on that)
37% says its important but not essential to read the bible
There is going to be very strong overlap here, you cannot add these numbers up. Of course it would be weird to call yourself Christian and never touch any of there philosophical texts.
Only 39% (which is like the exact number of the protestant branch which yeah deserves pretty much all you are throwing out here) Claims the philosophy is a written by a magical being.
Its a big number but may i remind you that post-theism branches that rejected for example genesis, existed since before Protestant existed, before the roman church was founded.
They are still flow from the same philosophical source. Which is a handful of philosophical myths that describe the same story but also don’t agree with each-other. (At least one of them believed Jesus was a the human son of Joseph)
My first comment to you was to clarify that the bible and Christianity are an entire umbrella of different works, beliefs and ideas. You cannot pick one and claim it speaks for all of them. Not even the church agrees on it.
Like i said i have read multiple but you would not consider them bibles because they do not glorify death in any shape or form. The one i found most influential did not even mention the afterlife. It was just about a cool guy being trying to do what was right.
I don’t believe in magical thinking, i dont ascribe to doctorine in any shape or form. Whats is selfish about correctly Labeling meditation a form spiritually?
Is that a bad word now too? If this hate is directed at every word that has some vague link to historical dogma i have bad news. But this does feel like arguing sementics (which i admit to often get caught up with, but so do you)
I am not and have never defended a death cults, no one of the many people i know is in a death cult, and it certainly is not what the majority christians are about. Citing a bible that is not the one they read/believe in is not going to change that.
IT’S NOT PRETENDING AND IT’S NOT BLIND.
READ THE GODDAM BIBLE.
IT IS A DEATH CULT.
FUCK YOU FOR LYING ABOUT THIS.
FUCK YOU FOR CHOOSING DEATH AGAIN AND AGAIN. USE YOUR GODDAM BRAIN, YOU SELFISH PIECE OF SHIT.
I was abused because you reject reality.
A song for you: https://snoopsqueak.com/videos/fys
Name them.
BY LYING TO EVERYONE AND DEMANDING THEY JOIN HIS DEATH CULT. STOP SANEWASHING THIS.
Evidently, you do, and as a result you are rejecting reality so you can preserve your deadly stupidity.
Because nothing is “spiritual”. It’s a bullshit word. Describe your experiences in the context of reality, please. By not doing so, you are normalizing magical thinking. You are enabling my parents and worse, all so you can feel Very Special.
You are very special. You don’t need the bullshit. Grow the fuck up and take a stand for the truth, your cowardice is KILLING PEOPLE.
It’s a deadly mindset.
STOP APPEALING TO POPULARITY. Just because many people have done it for a long time does not make it right.
And stop pretending I am the aggressor. I am defending real life against your fake, stupid bullshit.
Liar, you’ve done it all throughout these comments and you’re still doing it.
Liar, every christian you know is.
Liar, it’s the definition of christ.
The bible describes a death god, encourages everyone to join a death cult, and real people really believe it. What part of this are you not getting? STOP REJECTING EVIDENCE, YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT.
Here we go again. Insulting me for having a nuance that you fail to understand. Calling me a liar while i have been nothing but honest
It is blind because you refuse to see the difference between a book writen by one philosopher in one time versus one writen by a different philosopher in another time.
There is no such thing as a singular bible. There is no such thing as a singular christian identity (which i am not part of)
You seem to believe that there and that it somehow has the “magic” to turn people evil but i will tell you all the evils are man made and burning books is not going to help you at all.
No i do not know the name of the book i read 22 years ago. Also its not in English.
You dont get to dictate what words mean, and if you try you will only find that everyone will stop listening to you.
It’s not nuanced, you’re defending death cults.
You are lying, and I highlighted each lie.
Contrary to popular belief, lies do not require intent. If someone else told a lie and you repeat it earnestly, I’m still hearing a lie.
It’s not blind, because I see the text of the bible explicitly commanding abuse. You’re pretending it doesn’t exist, that it doesn’t cause harm, while people are dying as a result of others’ belief in it.
We are talking about christianity. The christian bible.
It’s in the name. They believe in christ, magical savior human sacrifice whom they must submit to if they want to avoid punishment.
Read the bible and stop putting words in my mouth. I’d be happy if the damn thing had a “fiction” label, but many real human beings are pretending it is true.
Useless, then. Focus on my points.
Neither do you. Think really hard about what “christianity” means, what “christ” is in context.
It’s a death cult.
More delusional and hateful then the average religious person.
Your point is that some interpretations of the bible which is not at all the interpretation of modern christians somehow speaks for them.
You want me to adress your point but you habe yet to provide a single coherent point except “old book = bad”
Christ is the character central to the philosophy. Thats pretty obvious.
The gnostics are against god but christ is still their main guy.
Mr. Spiritual thinks I’m delusional.
MAGIC ISN’T REAL, DUMB FUCK.
I hate abusers, as everyone should. Stop defending them.
I am not delusional. There is evidence for my claims, but you keep rejecting it because you’re a lazy, selfish coward. Think harder. Look closer.
No, my point is that every version of the bible explicitly instructs abuse, and many adults believe that.
The ones who try to find a nicer “interpretation” are still directly enabling the others. Magical thinking is deadly.
HAVE YOU READ IT? Do you think slave rape is good? God does, therefore christ does.
That’s the problem. What is “christ”? According to the bible you keep ignoring, the one most people believe, christ is the human incarnation of an abusive god that we should all submit to.
That’s really fucking stupid. “Christ” is rooted in god. We can talk about Jesus instead, but he’s also a piece of shit because he told deadly lies.
Please use your brain and stop outsourcing your thinking. Examine the foundations more closely, look beneath the labels.