Of course it has helped. It may not have reduced the global meat consumption, because sadly there is still an increase through other people, but it has definitely reduced the current overall meat consumption in comparison to the scenario of this person having continued to eat meat.
Who knows how many of the people who have contributed to this consumption increase have considered reducing but decided that their actions don’t matter anyway?
If product isn’t purchased, that demand is not there. Supply increases alongside it, and prices drop with profits. Eventually the supply gets lowered by manufacturers to increase market value.
Literally word for word what you said. Basic math disproves this. 100 people in the world, 10 are vegetarian, meat industry needs to feed 90 meat eaters. Each person has 2 kids, all children of vegetarians are magically vegetarians. Now there are 300 people. Let’s say 50 of those meat eaters go vegetarian (way more percentage wise than in reality) The meat industry has to provide food for 220 meat eaters. Meat industry get bigger.
This is a strawman
You have no idea what that means, apparently. Something you don’t like hearing doesn’t make it a straw man.
There are a thousand problems with the meat industry, most of the world could and should be vegetarian. I am one. Throwing one liners around that is blatantly incorrect doesn’t help the cause. It actively hurts it when people see through the bullshit and think then the idea behind it is bad.
you seem to understand that being vegetarian hasn’t actually reduced the amount of meat produced, and you haven’t disputed that the environmental issues are from the production. you’re just angrily agreeing with me.
If you really want to upset people, tell them becoming a vegetarian is one of the most effective ways to reduce your contribution to climate change.
you don’t even have to go vegan, just dropping beef is great and if you also drop pork you’ve nuked a whole lot of emissions
lots of people have done this. meat production continues to increase
Yeah, because most people refuse to do this and would rather die than be even slightly inconvenienced.
regardless of your excuse, just choosing not to eat meat hasn’t actually helped save the planet.
Of course it has helped. It may not have reduced the global meat consumption, because sadly there is still an increase through other people, but it has definitely reduced the current overall meat consumption in comparison to the scenario of this person having continued to eat meat.
Who knows how many of the people who have contributed to this consumption increase have considered reducing but decided that their actions don’t matter anyway?
this can’t be proven. what makes you think more meat could possibly have been produced?
As I’ve talked of consumption, not production, it is basically self-evident.
production must proceed consumption
but consumption isn’t an issue. all the environmental problems come from production.
Sure, individual choices don’t matter. My choice to wear a mask couldn’t stop COVID either.
What matters are collective choices, made as a society. If everyone stopped eating meat, it would help.
But they won’t. They’d rather die.
You’re not allowed to say that
because it’s not true, or because it misplaces the blame?
eating meat doesn’t contribute to climate change. all the environmental problems with meat are in the production, not it’s consumption.
If product isn’t purchased, that demand is not there. Supply increases alongside it, and prices drop with profits. Eventually the supply gets lowered by manufacturers to increase market value.
lots of people avoid meat. meat production continues to increase every year. the problem isn’t with eating
this is a straw man. it’s bad faith
Literally word for word what you said. Basic math disproves this. 100 people in the world, 10 are vegetarian, meat industry needs to feed 90 meat eaters. Each person has 2 kids, all children of vegetarians are magically vegetarians. Now there are 300 people. Let’s say 50 of those meat eaters go vegetarian (way more percentage wise than in reality) The meat industry has to provide food for 220 meat eaters. Meat industry get bigger.
You have no idea what that means, apparently. Something you don’t like hearing doesn’t make it a straw man.
There are a thousand problems with the meat industry, most of the world could and should be vegetarian. I am one. Throwing one liners around that is blatantly incorrect doesn’t help the cause. It actively hurts it when people see through the bullshit and think then the idea behind it is bad.
this is a straw man. your restating my position in a silly my way to make it sound bad. it’s the very definition.
you seem to understand that being vegetarian hasn’t actually reduced the amount of meat produced, and you haven’t disputed that the environmental issues are from the production. you’re just angrily agreeing with me.
the meat industry doesn’t need to provide anything. they choose to do that. eating meat doesn’t cause more to be produced.
Gibberish.
illiteracy can be solved.
By this logic, extracting oil doesn’t contribute to climate change.
but has it’s own problems. deep water horizon, for instance.