The issue isn’t that capitalism took them away, it’s that capitalism scared them into giving them away. They were convinced that racism, xenophobia, hate, and guns were more important than everything else. That’s why they refuse to admit that everything’s worse as a result of their actions - if they admit that, then they admit that they were tricked into losing everything, and they’d rather live the rest of their lives pretending this is what they always wanted instead.
Whatever it’s called, the systems should help people in data-backed ways and use the best info available, for the benefit of the majority. Encourage curiosity and education to discover new things, healthy work-life balance, paid sick and family leave, easy access to healthcare for all, stable rights and benefits for workers, etc. All the things that reduce poverty and chronic stress and good for advancing healthy humanity. People do better, less crime and happier too so it really is win-win, for We The People. Use Sagan’s baloney kit to examine these things and it’s obvious which political platform with a chance to win is closest. Ranked choice voting might help other parties win too. This is what we need, not more tribalism while getting sicker, and falling farther behind in many measures due to maga.
But I have lots of guns, so if shit goes way south I can just hunt my hard right neighbors.
…and convinced you it was good for you.
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Dude, just shut the fuck up. Absolute batshit.
If it’s so resilient, why is everything so broken?
Classic conservative conflating communism with socialism right off the bat
It’s ironic and people on this platform who support socialism don’t know what it is and people who are against it apparently also don’t know what it is.
But I do applaud your use of buzzwords that you don’t know the definition of.
people on this platform who support socialism don’t know what it is
Says the person who literally further down in this same thread left a comment implying that democratic socialism is the same thing as social democracy (it isn’t)
I never said they’re the same thing. There are fundamental nuances that I fully understand the comprehend.
It’s just that putting all that in a short disclaimer doesn’t really fit.
The point is that people are advocating for either one of those but not socialism as a whole.
You said this:
Social democracy/democratic socialism refers to a capitalist market economy supplemented by welfare programs, labor protections, and public services. […] You are describing and advocating for social democracy/democratic socialism not socialism.
Which seems to quite strongly indicate you’re treating them as if they’re the same concept.
Also, your graphic is no good. It would be more accurate if Democratic Socialism was somewhere in between Social Democracy and what it labels (reductively) as merely “Socialism.”
Democratic Socialism is a type of Socialism. A person who believes in and advocates for Democratic Socialism is still a Socialist.
You don’t have to advocate for “socialism as a whole” to consider yourself a socialist. You might disagree with some types of socialism and agree with others, and you’d still be a socialist.
Just because someone is advocating for Democratic Socialism as opposed to some sort of authoritarian/accelerationist/revolutionary socialism, does not mean they’re not a socialist.
do you believe in Christ, brother?
Haven’t seen a post like this in a while.
Socialism refers to collective ownership of the means of production. Social democracy/democratic socialism refers to a capitalist market economy supplemented by welfare programs, labor protections, and public services. The two terms are not interchangeable despite frequent misuse on the internet. You are describing and advocating for social democracy/democratic socialism not socialism.
https://youtube.com/shorts /zMmjKRettxA?si=vVKGZk- blCVEODq
Democratic socialism isn’t social democracy, it is a system aiming to replace capitalism with collective worker or public ownership of economy. Democratic socialism IS socialism, social democracy isn’t.
Negative. Democratic socialism aims to eventually replace the capitalistic economy with a socialist one.
It only aims to replace the economy the form of governance remains democratic.
And yes. They are different systems with many similarities.
And fed you poison.
You spoonfed us Saturday morning mouthfuls of maggots and lies disguised in your sugary breakfast cereals.
Socialism doesn’t pull folks out of poverty.
Yes, the USSR and China became global superpowers through the power of friendship…
Historically the thing that pulled people out of poverty was either socialism or capitalists scared of a socialist uprising.
What exactly do you think socialism is?
The Nordic countries has had socialism since at least the second world war and we’re doing pretty well here compared to the “worlds best country in the world”.
Only lifted 850 million people out of poverty in China alone but please stay in your capitalist bubble.
China is capitalist.
For the record I hate capitalism and I love socialism, but claiming China is socialist is straight up misinformation.
What does then?
Bootstraps.
Can’t pull yourself up from your bootstraps if you can’t afford boots.
“Pull your bootstraps” is just what they tell you to get you to bend over
Sounds like boots are unnecessary, you just need the straps, maybe we can give minimum wage works a free pair of boot straps whenever the spend $100 or more at a few party approved corporate chains …
Giving away boot straps? That sounds like socialism to me.
It’s more that the punters think we are giving away but actually the cost is worked into price increases on the products they have to buy to get the bootstraps. They don’t notice the increases because they get the bootstraps. The cost of producing the bootstraps is so low that technically the stores turn a profit on them.
That all sounds complicated and confusing, so it must be wrong. Those filthy poors are getting something they didn’t pay for and can’t afford. That’s socialism.
(/s)
Well there is the matter of the laws of physics and reality where you literally can’t pull on your own feet to lift yourself up.
The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia
– Actual quote by an Australian conservative prime minister in this century
Not with that attitude.
