The next slogan dropping from the Department of Labor:
work makes you freeI’m honestly surprised it hasn’t.
Very fitting when half the country is already like a forced labor camp
It’s way more than half. Between just Amazon and Walmart they employ 3.5 million.
And there are plenty of other shitty jobs besides those two.
“We’ve always been at war with Canada”
Oh, shit! Are they renaming the DoD “The Department of Peace” now?
Nah, that’s too sissy and woke for Real Men™.
There is no war in
Ba Sing Sethe Strait of Hormiz
Naw, that sounds too communist.
It does but arbeit macht frei was a nazi slogan and tbh it goes well for the bootstraps folks: “you just need to work harder for a better life” essentially.
Annoyingly, Nazis stole each one of their slogans. “Arbeit macht frei” is from the 1873 novel by Lorenz Diefenbach, in which gamblers and fraudsters find the path to virtue through labour, alluding to John 8:31–32.
Yeah they don’t exactly have a lot of creativity of their own. But much like the swastika and certain tunes, it’s now associated with nazis rather than its original source
“Freedom takes work”
In corporate HR culture jargon, teamwork brings opportunities.
Remember who you are…
A nation of immigrants!
“No! Not like that!”
This is de facto true, but de jure it was a nation of settlers and slavers
I remember in the 1990s when I was fairly young, and I was having a discussion with other people, and I kept saying the Republican Party was a fascist party, and I remember one of the people in the discussion taking me aside afterward and telling me that I couldn’t say that(not because it wasn’t true, but) because people would get offended.
I remember after the September 11 attack, that they named the department for the country’s security “The Department of Homeland Security” and I had extreme concerns about their intentions by naming it that. I could see what they were moving toward, even back then.
not because it wasn’t true, but because people would get offended.
I have a hypothesis that as society we’re too polite. We don’t tell people they’re being assholes because that’s uncomfortable, so they continue being assholes without appropriate social pressure.
My FiL intentionally takes advantage of this in people. His family try to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is just “unaware”, but I have been in situations where 1) I point out his imposition on other people to him, 2) he continues to engage in said behavior, 3) I subsequently call him out on it publicly, and 4) he calls me disloyal.
Of course he’s an evangelical MAGA voter with misogynist leanings.
Which disproves the idea above yours that simply being curt and telling people they’re being assholes or inconsiderate or wrong or evil doesn’t work. It doesn’t matter to them. Being ostracized doesn’t work. Imprisoning them doesn’t work.
But you can reduce their numbers by improving the situations that allowed their ideas to develop and spread or be preyed upon by bad actors.
If enough people are against him, he will relent. Social pressure and/ or ostracization does work on him. He won’t resort to violence or direct confrontation to try to get away with his inconsiderate BS, but if he thinks
- you will think it’s too much trouble to confront him,
- you will forget about his transgression, or
- you won’t notice his transgression
then he will (continue to) try to get away with it. He has no baseline conscientiousness of other people, even people he supposedly loves.
You’re describing narcissism and possibly borderline personality disorder
Well, perhaps! I wouldn’t be surprised if he got an official diagnosis, but I’m an engineer, not a psychologist. So it won’t be from me.
I was just trying to agree with the original commenter, because when I call him on his crap publicly, it keeps him more in line. His own relatives seem relieved when I’m around because I will force him to be a little more courteous (e.g., telling him to clean up items behind himself instead of allowing/expecting the women in his family to do it). Their non-confrontational culture just enables him.
Kinda like that quote about confusing peace with quiet.
Hot take:
This is why the French culture is the platonic ideal. The average French person is a feral chain smoking time bomb and any they have no time for bullshit. Cutting in line in England will earn you a lot of judgemental stares, same thing in France will get you yelled at or stabbed depending on how the weather is.
The French government would love to be a lot fashier than it is, but it fears its citizens with good reason.
“Sorry the truth is uncomfortable. Maybe don’t be fascists?”
I remember who I am. Not a fucking Nazi
yeah, lot of Germans said that as well and yet…
We sure as fuck don’t have one people or one heritage. We’re a melting pot and the fascists are just the burnt crust around the edge of the pot that should be scrubbed the fuck off.
E pluribus unum. But since that’s not in 'Merica talk, they don’t understand it.
This comparison offends me in that fond can be used to make something good.
Also like, we famously have very many heritages.
Our whole heritage is being a melting pot of every heritage mixed together. Blood nationalism makes ZERO sense whatsoever.
Actually your heritage is that of native American genocide, centuries of African slavery, and then countless illegal wars of aggression.
Thats the heritage of most countries with European settler/colonial histories.
And? You want to widen the discussion or try and derail it?
You “well ackshually!” the same America Evil lines and then accuse the other commenter of derailing the conversation? Thats funny.
Sorry about your shitty country, I guess?
Me too comrade, me too.
.ml account
Opinion discarded!
Basing the value of a response on the user’s Lemmy instance has to be amongst the stupidest forms of tribalism in human history.
A .world user WOULD say that!
/jk
Given Godric’s blatantly stupid tribalism, I think you’re seeing a pattern that’s real
Noting that valueless responses constantly emerge from a certain lemmy instance is simply pattern recognition!
Funny thing, my old nan said nearly the same thing about black people.
.ml are literally like black people guys
Don’t worry, lib. I’m one of the good ones ;)
context pls
There’s a pretty good chance that user will, in the same breath, go: Jefferson bad, Stalin good. Because authoritarians and genocides perpetrated by entities pretending to be communist are somehow excusable.
Edit: I rest my case. You’ll notice their immediate jump to whataboutism, strawman arguments, and childish demands for you to research why their “nuh uh” is wrong.
This guy must have something wrong with them.
This comment is literally whataboutism, they clearly don’t understand what a straw an argument is, and the childish demands are us simply asking for him to explain himself.
What a joke, lol.
Genocidal slavers like Jefferson are, indeed, bad.
Not sure why a person took part in massively improving the rights and living conditions of the working class and fighting against the original nazis should be considered bad in comparison with enthusiastic slavers.Just admit it - you only said that because you have been bombarded your whole life with propaganda about how the most vile polity in the world is somehow good, while Stalin is somehow bad for some reason.
Two things can both be bad. This is what you mls never seem to grasp.
And It’s not for some reason. He killed so many people. No one can take you seriously when you praise a monster like Stalin.
Stalin saved Europe from the Nazis. Is that not good to you?
Lol, called it.
You guys really love to ignore his genocide of his own countrymen.
He hates accurate historical analysis. It hurts his perception of the piece of land he was born on.
Notice how he even got down voted on his own “safe” instance.
.ml users have a pretty poor reputation in the fediverse as braindead ideologues who swarm and spam posts that don’t jive with their beliefs. It’s like having a neighbor constantly chucking dogshit over the fence and blaming you for the smell XD
Kind of silly to call people that keep being proven correct, and whose ideology(ies) are related to the world getting things like 8-hour working day, women getting basic rights, and decolonisation as ‘braindead’.
XD
So random
That’s not an opinion, lmao.
-claims to know the heritage of a random internet user
-gets called out in an equally snarky way
“acksyually it’s not an opinion lol”
?
Are you actually claiming that the ‘heritage’ of the country that engaged in slavery and multiple genocides, and still engage in such today is not any of those things?
Melting pot? I wouldn’t call it that. More like a 70s jell-o salad: all the ingredients are visible, but separate. There’s alarmingly little miscegenation in the US. Go anywhere in Latin America and you can see true melting pots.
But also share one.
How many of them were granted human rights for the majority of the country’s history, lol?
Very few, that doesn’t take away from the fact that we’re still a nation of immigrants and should reject the lie of a unified American heritage.
Genocidal settler-colonialism is not “immigration”, and neither is being enslaved and transported over the Atlantic ocean.
There are plenty of folks who came over after the bulk of the genocide was largely done. Don’t think an Italian coming over in the 1910s had fuck all to do with the Native American genocide.
But even ignoring that you are assuming that this is all a black and white situation when people are rarely that. For example the early Scots-Irish population in Appalachia generally got along well enough with native Americans often times even mixing together, you could also have the later Irish immigrants from the Irish genocide by the English inflicting the same fate apon Native Americans in the great planes.
Hell my own ancestors did seemingly contradictory shit as being slavers while murdering people for being bigots against Native Americans. Only for a generation later to be fighting for the abolishment of slavery and arming natives while really fucking hating newer Anglo settlers to the point of commiting hate crimes.
There are plenty of folks who came over after the bulk of the genocide was largely done. Don’t think an Italian coming over in the 1910s had fuck all to do with the Native American genocide.
The US did not stop at that genocide.
But even ignoring that you are assuming that this is all a black and white situation when people are rarely that. For example the early Scots-Irish population in Appalachia generally got along well enough with native Americans often times even mixing together, you could also have the later Irish immigrants from the Irish genocide by the English inflicting the same fate apon Native Americans in the great planes.
And yet, what the (pre-)USians were doing was still predominantly a settler-colonial genocide, regardless of whether there were a few nice exceptions.
The unified American heritage is white land owners get rights and everybody else has to fight to get any.
Remember who you are, American.
You mean the sons and daughters of immigrants? People who invaded and stole land from the people who were already living here? People who murdered and slaughtered innocent women and children for two centuries in order to legitimize our ownership of said land?
People who invaded and stole land from the people who were already living here? People who murdered and slaughtered innocent women and children for two centuries in order to legitimize our ownership of said land?
Hey not me, I’m first Gen. I would happily go back to where they came from if they didn’t make it so damn impossible to claim nationality. But they do because they don’t want us back. During the first trump term I went through the trouble of even contacting lawyers to see if it was possible but I don’t qualify.
“Quit calling us Nazis!”
At my old job, there was some back and forth about some feature detail. The product lady messaged me and said “do you have a few minutes to talk about the final solution?”
I was like, “uhh you mean the sorting filter on the projects page? Yes, so long as we don’t call it the final solution”
I don’t know if she knows that phrase already has a history
This lead me asking a bunch of coworkers if they knew. About half were familiar.
I can’t imagine forgetting that phrase from school over 2 decades ago. I get people not knowing lots of the details, but missing that, work will set you free… etc etc. That’s really bad.
Keep in mind English might not be someone’s first language. They might have learned the phrase in school in their language, or even the German original, but not whatever is the accepted English translation.
Or she didn’t learn that specific phrase. I don’t recall ever hearing it in school.
With the current media landscape I believe it’s malicious intent rather than stupidity.
It’s simliar to how an old artist’s music being played on a pop station is a leading indicator that artist is going to put out a new album. The intended end users of the Nazi Germany phrases may not know/care what they’re saying, but the people seeding it into the media are literally just following the playbook for what worked last time.
My bingo card has a spot on it for seeing unironic back-to-back commericials for gold sellers (who didn’t get the memo) and reminders that the US has nationalized all its gold (again).
Im a process chemist and we often actually form solutions at the end of a chemical process that are unfortunately deemed “final solutions”. There’s not really a way around it since it’s the most technically accurate way to describe what we’re dealing with
Edit: and I always find it uncomfortable to say
Come on now. It was reasonable for someone to say the final solution in your scenario. It is totally reasonable to call out these things especially when it is purposefully being used like the OP. However, your scenario sounds like you are making a situation about something it isn’t at all.
I accept that she wasn’t referencing the historical meaning on purpose. She likely wasn’t a classic Nazi trying to dog whistle. However, not recognizing the phrase is concerning. Especially given the current rise of Nazi-compatible ideology in power.
If she didn’t mean it that way, I don’t see how it’s concerning. A lot of people display swastikas with no intention of referring to Nazis. The words “final” and “solution” aren’t owned by Nazi Germany into perpetuity.
Not sure if trolling, but: I feel like people show know relevant, recent, history.
Not knowing a specific phrase isn’t exactly unheard of. And a person using it to mean something else isn’t a Nazi.
Not sure if you’re trolling or just a fucking idiot.
I didn’t say they were a Nazi. And I thought you might be trolling because " A lot of people display swastikas with no intention of referring to Nazis." sounds risible.
Well yes, the swastika was used way before Nazi time and while they definitely sullied it, I am not sure denying others the use for a completely different meaning is the best way forward.
I feel really uncomfortable when a black service worker calls me “boss”.
Idk why…I think there was a book that we listened to in like 7th grade that was narrated by LeVar Burton where there was a character that was, I think, a freed slave, and he was travelling with some young abolitionist white kid, and he’d always call the kid Boss, and it made the kid like really uncomfortable, and that must’ve rubbed off on me.
Was it The Cay?
Wow…yeah I think it was. Good job knowing the book with my partially incorrect summary of it from 30 years prior.
I was in a meeting planning a large corporate event. A chef was there discussing food options and how they were having trouble finding a kosher meal provider but they have a work around until they find a final solution. Me and one other person both looked up and made eye contact, but no one else reacted. I had to pull the chef aside and ask him not to use that phrase when speaking about kosher meals.
Yeah, chillingly similar to hitler’s ideas:
The whole European continent appears to be destined by Divine Providence to be peopled by one nation, speaking one language, professing one general system of religious and political principles, and accustomed to one general tenor of social usages and customs.
except whoops...
just kidding, this is actually a direct quote by a US president responsible for the total genocide of native americans a.k.a. “manifest destiny”, which then inspired the nazis:
The whole continent of North America appears to be destined by Divine Providence to be peopled by one nation, speaking one language, professing one general system of religious and political principles, and accustomed to one general tenor of social usages and customs
US elites have always been nazis, they just learned to hide it when nazism became unpopular after WW2. now the mask is coming off again
Jefferson said virtually the same thing about his vision for the future of North and South America
I don’t think anyone who has taken a history class is shocked by a US founder having genocidal intentions.
They shouldn’t but almost always are.
They alsoshouldn’t be shocked to discover that it’s a long and storied tradition that continues to the present day and yet.
Lmao. Hitler’s ideas were chillingly similar to American actions in the decades before. He and his top brass constantly took inspiration from the way America treated Natives and Africans.
They wrote about it.
that’s… exactly the joke in my comment (?)
Ah, hadn’t hit the spoiler button, lol. My b
They just quote the nazis at this point.
One of ours, all of yours.
We’ll have our home again.
Ein Reich. Ein Volk. Ein Führer.
Ein bunker. Ein bullet.
Ich bin ein Berliner
I am a donut? Eddie izzard deep cut.
Is the Dressed to Kill set really a deep cut?
My guy, anything from the 90s is a deep cut at this point.
From your lips to god’s ears.
Aber sehr viel Cyanide, für die Kinder. Aus „Liebe“
I’m hoping that’s what’s coming for Putin, but I can keep an open mind.
I’m conflicted upvoting this…
Keith Sonderling is the trump appointed Sec of Labor, who built his career as a vicious lawyer representing management in high profile labor disputes. He’s spent his time at the DOL dismantling protections for minorities and women.
Interesting choice for a nation of mostly immigrants
This slogan is obviously Nazi talk. The Nazi phrase in its entirety however would translate as “One Empire. One People. One Leader”. “Homeland” is close enough but they apparently shied away from going all the way down to “one leader”.
they know who the leader is. it’s not the dipshit with the poorly-fitting suits. it’s heritage foundation.
Fair enough.
I think “homeland” is even worse. Although “one leader” demands absolute obedience and is bad enough, “one homeland” clearly spells out anti-immigrant ideology.
Modern German Nazis also prefer to talk about homeland, I think Empire is not too catchy of a concept abymore even fir their target audience.
