what a shit take by the coworkers
imagine thinking somebody accurately assessing a situation and not wanting to be a shitty parent is disappointing
I’ve got a lot less respect for shitty parents and people who don’t think things through
I’ve got a lot less respect for shitty parents and people who don’t think things through
That’s because most people are conformists.
Misery loves company.
My fiancée and I just flatly say we can’t have kids and that shuts most people up.
Never mind the reason why we can’t have kids is because we don’t like them.
While we also choose a child-free existence, it wasn’t until some close friends had kids that were awesome that I realized I don’t dislike kids. I dislike shitty parents.
That said, I can go meet up with people whenever I feel like it. I also have lots more disposable income. It’s pretty great if it’s what you want anyway.
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Why not ? People don’t like many thing, they are allowed to not like kid aren’t they ?
Well it’s because of the notion that the very reason of being alive is to propagate more life. That’s the fundamental nature of life because without that there would be no life. So if you think that life is worth while, it would be logical that you contribute. Otherwise it would be somewhat selfish. And such a mentality of not wanting to sacrifice one’s freedom in order to be a parent and take on that responsibility comes across as immature.
I don’t think you should have kids if you don’t want to. I’m just explaining why some people find it bad and upsetting that you don’t.not having kids = selfish has got to be in the top 5 dumbest arguments i’ve ever heard, especially considering that kids today and their kids and so on are destined to grow up on a toxic hellscape wasteland planet.
“oh the kids will fix it”
LOL so not having kids = selfish, but having kids so they can fix the problems of the last couple hundred years = generous. got it
and you’re confusing “purpose of life” with biological instinct. yes, all living things from bacteria and viruses on up the evolutionary ladder are hardwired to engage in behavior that results in the passing on of their genes. “purpose” is a cognitive construct invented by philosophers who couldn’t stand being just animals. there’s no formula for it, or even quantifiable evidence that there is such a thing. so my “purpose” is to not have kids
I think it’s always seemed like the world was going to hell. It’s all relative.
I don’t care if you have kids. I don’t really care if humans go extinct. I’m happy to be alive so I’m glad my parents wanted to have kids,It’s always seemed like the world is going to hell, but now we have 200 years of scientific data to prove that we’re making the entirety of the biosphere uninhabitable for the majority of species on the planet, including us.
I grew up in the 80’s with threats of imminent nuclear war.
it’s not, that you can’t tell is a personal failing on your par
Is this a comment from a virus
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Are asexual people selfish? Are monks who don’t fuck selfish? Are infertile people selfish? Are people who adopt instead of having bio kids selfish? Do none of these people count as “life”? I pronounce you fully ridiculous.
No. Yes. No. No. They all count as life. Yes, I am ridiculous, but not for explaining why people might see those who chose not to have children as selfish.
I’m just explaining why some people find it bad and upsetting that you don’t.
that’s a whole fuckin paragraph to say “they’re nosy and entitled” - and it’s absolute garbage. " if you think that life is worth while, it would be logical that you contribute. Otherwise it would be somewhat selfish. " utter fucking garbage. only people adding to the population pressure of OVER 8 BILLION FUCKING HUMANS are worth it? everyone else is selfish?
STOP FOR A MOMENT AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
8 BILLION +, AND YOU INSIST THAT MORE ARE NEEDED OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT SELFISH?
gotta be a fucking troll
Actually the world population is starting to decline. People have value. I’m not sure what the optimal world population is, but as it goes down it’s going to be painful as demographics shift.
Human population is not declining. The acceleration rate of population increase is decreasing. It’s still going ever faster and faster, just a little less faster than we were. And it’s still an absolutely staggering, incomprehensible population increase.
And then there’s the animal farming to consider. Hey, what happened to the Amazon?
Actually the world population is starting to decline.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_Eight_Billion
You think it’s starting to decline, the evidence is remaining to be seen.
Talk to me when we hit 7.5bn and we can start to care.
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Well I doubt I’ll still be alive when we get back down to 7 billion and are in free fall.
Yes I was wrong when I said population was in decline. The rate of population growth is slowing down, so we can predict a decline starting in like 50 years.
Buddy, I think you came to the wrong comment section.
What, we all need to have carbon copy opinions?
When you dress your stupid opinions up as universal truths, you’re gonna get some negative responses.
I suppose that’s true. But in this case I didn’t really did I? I was explaining how some people think. I can relate to it, but since I don’t care if humans go extinct, it’s not my mantra.
there’s billions of people in the world, there’s zero impact on whether the humanity will continue or not. being upset at someone for not procreating is silly and having kids just for the sake of propagating life as if people were scarce is ridiculous.
It’s just a logical argument such as if everyone decided not to have kids, humans would go extinct pretty quickly. Not that I really care. I’m happy to be alive so I’m glad my parents weren’t against having kids.
Humans going extinct would save every other living thing on this planet, lol. Who’s selfish now?
There are lots of animals that only live on humans - like these cute little guys (Pthirus pubis)
i get where “if everyone does that then it’d be bad” comes from but it doesn’t apply here, if you look around do you realistically see it as a necessity for everyone to have kids to save the humanity from going extinct? if one or few people says that they don’t want to procreate, will every single person in the world follow suit? in case that i live my life without having kids, what’s the worst that will happen to humanity because of my choice?
i’m also happy to be alive, but i also have reasons why i don’t want to have kids and it’s not like i’m taking life away from someone with that decision.
All good in my book. Don’t have kids if you don’t want to. I’m just explaining where the notion comes from.
Sure you not having kids won’t cause the population to collapse. But it’s a bit the same as you not throwing your garbage in the trash - one person doing that won’t make a significant difference.
I have more respect for that lady than I have for all the people who have kids anyway and then just neglect them.
I just say the climate is fucked, so having kids is immoral. I can be confrontational as well.
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I personally want to work for a world where the choice of having an offspring doesn’t ruin you financially
It’s to convince themselves they made the “right” choice by having kids. Because deep down I’m sure there’s a part of them that wished they hadn’t. And when they see another person who actually chose to not have kids, it only reminds them of a life they didn’t get, which upsets them.
its regret, and later contempt or resentment if the child reaches adulthood and they somehow cant leave the house after HS,.
Most people who have children don’t know how to do it right and too many are children themselves emotionally/mentally, so they model all the bad behaviors they punish the children for, it’s crazy! They punish for natural emotional responses to life events and don’t care to understand what’s going on, just blame as bad and punish. Enmeshment and other unhealthy, dysfunctional ways they think are normal and good. They do the same unhealthy ways they never questioned and stay in low-level thinking, easier, fit in with others, tradition, “we turned out good enough” they delude themselves.
From my experience is that most people are conformists. That’s why.
She’s right in that they are a lot of work, but they’re worth it if you want children in the first place.
It’s all about what you think the work is worth, I guess. Anything in life that you want, and you need to work for, you do the work if you want it badly enough. Pretty simple.
also if its financially feasible too.
Definitely a factor indeed. Sadly money is a huge factor deciding whether or not a couple is suitable to have children. 😞
But they can’t choose to be born. Having children is intrinsically a non-consensual act.
That’s not really relevant to the point I’m making but, yeah, it’s not a consensual act to have offspring. Nothing that’s ever been born has chosen to be born. But countless things have been happy they were.
In the words of Stephen Colbert, “It’s a gift to exist.”
Obviously quite dependent on circumstances…
I don’t think I’ll ever have kids precisely because of how much work and responsibility they are. But if I ever have a kid, it would not be mine; this world is too fucked up to bring a new person into, I would instead adopt one of the many kids who need a parent
I heard from a social worker that adoption is kinda the easy way. Foster parenting is harder, as you get more difficult cases. In any way, children need good households to grow up in
i think because for adoption, it seen like getting a new puppy/kitten you can mold to your needs, and its mostly toddlers and babies, older children are less likely to get adopted. with a older child, they already have baggage with them, much harder to raise.
Yes, adopting older children is for sure more difficult and important
i think adoption is harder than fostering, you dont have to deal much with the child. but adoption you have to raise it as your own. also if you are going through "official"channels its very difficult.
Interesting debates to be had on state influence.
Like in “Silo” where even natural birth rights were given and taken by authorities with potential for abuse.
I would also argue that the ratio of unsuited parents is significantly smaller in people seeking adoption than in those that just happen to create children in their own.
If they don’t know anyone who chose differently, then their choice just cannot have been a mistake
I see that among my wifes friends and i think its the genuine wish to be at a similar stage in life. To do playdates and shit together.
Misery loves company
Shared suffering is halved suffrring we say haha
also puts alot of pressure on woman to have kids, thats why they often get to stay home longer after reaching way past adulthood than if it was a man, apparently its the opposite.
Better to not have kids if you don’t love them.
