I mean some of that stuff yeah, a lot of it would require violating norms though which democrats are terrified of, while Republicans just do whatever they want even if it’s clearly not what was intended, like delaying a supreme court pick until a republican is elected. Trump was being prosecuted but Americans elected him as president so all of them were dropped immediately :/ I think the Biden pardon was in preparation for Trump going after hunter with the full weight of the DOJ, but even then I don’t really approve of it.
I agree it is disappointing that democrats are so timid in that regard, but to me it’s like someone kicks a dog, and the other person says “hey don’t kick that dog wtf” but doesn’t stop them. These people aren’t the same and aren’t equally evil, and one will keep kicking the dog any time they’re elected, and the other tries to help the dog 8/10 times and kicks it 2/10 times. Just going off bills passed you can see the positions on immigration, big business, corruption, lgbtq+, everything besides Israel. One side has actual literal demons and one has people who do some things wrong.
Garland dragged his feet on Jan 6 charges, prompting Republicans who had previously voiced support for prosecuting him to regroup and change tactics, allowing the process to drag out until the election. Why did Biden appoint a GOP AG that was never going to be aggressive? It could be classified as a mistake, but it was completely foreseeable.
As for Biden’s immigration push, the bill Trump killed by telling the GOP not to support it in order to deny Biden a “win” was awful. It was everything the Republicans wanted, and Dems didn’t even include DACA protections, sacrificing immigrants once again to try to “own” the other party by demonstrating they are not interested in passing laws, something that everyone who is paying attention already understands. Biden also gave away a bunch of basic things in his environmental decisions. I mean, why allow drilling in ANWR? Who was that for? Even the things people are pointing to as a reason to have supported Biden are filled with poison.
You see a larger distinction between the parties than I do. I see republicans boiling puppies alive while Democrats stab them. Yeah, there is a difference, but not a demonstrable one.
Another thing you’re missing is James Comey publicly calling out the investigation into Hillary’s emails, which is completely improper, just so they would seem less biased to the Republicans as if they would ever not say it’s biased. It’s disgusting.
All of that being true, the Republicans are being literal actual demons. Calling trans people mentally ill women abusers and rapists, dragging American citizens out of their homes and locking them up for weeks or deporting them, they would literally make gay marriage illegal again if they could. Part of why roe v wade was reversed is because the Republicans refused to vote on Obama’s supreme court pick, which is extremely improper and denying the constitution’s intent. Massive tax cuts for billionaires (by cutting children’s cancer research WTF), canceling all ev tax credits, canceling huge solar farms, removing protections for parks and tons of other environmental protections. I could go on for hours, it’s just seriously unreal how evil they are.
Not sure what Comey has to do with Democrats being more similar to Republicans than they are different, but there is no question that Hillary Clinton mishandled classified information, as have literally every Secretary of State since Colin Powell. I know people personally who have been punished for less than what they did when it comes to classified materials, and it would have cost the DNC nothing to not shove her down our throats in 2016. On the contrary, her enabling a known sex pest for decades would have made it the perfect time to publicly and loudly throw her under the bus like they did Al Franken.
Stop including immigration. It does not help your argument. Obama was called the “deporter-in-chief” because he broke records for the number of people removed from the country. He separated kids from guardians like Trump, but he didn’t advertise it as a way of trying to deter those fleeing places we helped make unsafe. If you think this is a measurable difference in policy, you might be a mainstream Dem.
The only reason gay marriage is legal is that Republicans pressed their luck with the Defense of Marriage Act, and Biden managed to guafe his way into making Obama reverse the position he held when he was elected the first time. How brave!!! There is no doubt that there will be more than a few prominant democrats who join the Republicans to strip that right away when the time comes.
Democrats had literal decades to codify Roe, but instead they used it as an evergreen issue to fundraise on. When the inevitable finally happened, Biden could have directed the military bases in states that outlawed abortion to set up places on federal land to provide health care to women in those states and restore their rights. But he didn’t do that. Instead, he gave a speech to a roomful of donors and regurgitated anti-choice talking points he learned from the Pope.
Tell me again what Democrats did to counter the Republicans stealing the SCOTUS seat that Obama appointed a lifelong Republican to, but instead went to a lifelong republican appointed by Trump? That’s right, they put together a committee that failed to recommend anything.
I don’t understand how anyone can be so upset with Republicans, but not mind Democrats.
I was using comey as an example of democrats trying to be good faith and avoid seeming biased, and Republicans not caring and smearing them anyway. I think democrats have learned that lesson, with the majority now voting directly on party lines (minus the few who are just Republicans, like Chuck Schumer).
Hillary won the popular vote in the primaries in 2016, blame the voters for saying “Bernie old socialism bad, can’t vote for him!!” And then voting for Trump. She definitely mishandled documents as did every president, but no president had such an incredible witch hunt for a mistake every president in the history of the US has made, that was loudly broadcast on national news, called out by the head fbi agent, that is just insanity.
The Obama number was because they now did formal “removals” where previoue administrations did informal “returns,” i.e. at the border or recently crossed in, which massively inflated the numbers. Not to say there weren’t some terrible situations with immigration under him. In his second term they changed focus with ICE to avoid people who had been settled, and mainly go after those who had committed crimes or recently crossed. Again there were definitely some hugely negative parts to it, but Biden had no such draconian policy. Even the worst things done by Obama pale in comparison to what Trump is doing, and unlike Obama who changed course, Trump is tripling down, trying to kill as many brown people as possible, and we’re only 2 years in.
Gay marriage was not that popular during the Obama years, there has been a massive shift in that in the past ~15 years or so. When I was growing up, bullying people for being gay and saying it’s unnatural and wrong was extremely common, now you really only hear that from very religious or very extreme Republicans. In about 2010 that shift started to swing over to most people don’t mind it, and the president and senate will reflect their constituency. I’m not saying he was a saint on these issues, but Republicans are, with no exaggeration, literal demons who want trans and gay people to stop existing.
I really don’t think codifying roe v wade would have made any difference with this supreme court, they would just say “it’s unconstitutional cuz it kills a life lol” and it’s gone. They probably should have anyway, but it would’ve just been symbolic, the Republicans do not care about rules at all.
I mean I can’t really argue on that, democrats seem to have a “the guardrails will hold” attitude while the Republicans tear through them any chance they get. I’ve been immensely disappointed several times, like when some “”“democrats”“”" caved during the government shutdown, what was the point of holding out at all then?
I’m just saying one side is being literal demons, and one side is not resistant enough to those demons. Democrats in power = sometimes very good policy, sometimes very bad policy. Republicans in power = ruin everyone’s lives, tear families apart at a massive scale, destroy the environment, get into wars, support dictators, kill American citizens, defraud the government, cheat more evil people into power. Even if your single ticket issue was israel palestine, Trump is literally netanyahu’s lapdog, and basically doubled their funding.
You mention Schumer being a Dem who acts like a Pub, as if he is a fringe member of the party and not a DNC leader. How can you view Democrats as “sometimes good policy, sometimes very bad policy” when someone like Schumer has been in leadership for decades? The fish rots from the head, so to speak.
I think your framing of Obama (and then Biden)‘s immigration policies is generous to the point of dishonesty. Let’s assume you are right and Obama’s second term was gentler and wiser and only went after bad guys; and we both agree on the definition of a bad guy. Biden’s term, after seeing what Trump did with ICE, made no effort to put in guardrails while continuing Obama’s second-term enlightened immigration actions (again, for the sake of argument, I’m agreeing with your point; in fact, ICE under Biden illegally deported an American citizen right before the midterms, but I digress).
At what point do you fault blue presidents for not lifting a finger to stop future red presidents from being able to do so much damage from the executive branch? Obama was the constitutional professor who was going to fix the Bush administration’s power grab. Instead, he ruled as if he had adopted the Unified Executive theory when he swore the oath at the inauguration.
Coming back to reality, how do you square the Democrats’ push for a Biden immigration bill just as draconian as any Republican proposal, particularly throwing DACA recipients under the bus, with your claim that Dems are better on policy?
Codifying Roe would have made reversing it much harder. You mentioned gay marriage. Do you see how much further SCOTUS has to go to knock down that law than it did with Roe? They literally would still be trying to move in that direction instead of being years into the decision. Any thoughts on Biden not doing anything to counter Dobbs, even though the ruling was leaked before the decision was announced? The old bastard failed to respond; instead, as I said, he spoke to a room full of donors about not supporting “abortion on demand”. Like, when the fuck are they supposed to happen, when the mom doesn’t want one?
Any thoughts on how having a Democratic president at that moment was any better than having a Republican?
You didn’t address Obama’s flip-flop on gay marriage in your paragraph on gay marriage. Not sure what you are trying to say there other than Obama was a reactionary president, something I fully agree with and hold against him. That is exactly how W was.
Again, we end where we have been landing. We both think Republicans are ‘demons’. I think Democrats are demons with better PR. You think they are good-faith actors, ineffective at preventing demons from being demonic. So my last question is, why support them if they are not good at battling the demons?
PS: I appreciate the time you have taken to debate an anonymous malcontent on the internet.
I mean some of that stuff yeah, a lot of it would require violating norms though which democrats are terrified of, while Republicans just do whatever they want even if it’s clearly not what was intended, like delaying a supreme court pick until a republican is elected. Trump was being prosecuted but Americans elected him as president so all of them were dropped immediately :/ I think the Biden pardon was in preparation for Trump going after hunter with the full weight of the DOJ, but even then I don’t really approve of it.
I agree it is disappointing that democrats are so timid in that regard, but to me it’s like someone kicks a dog, and the other person says “hey don’t kick that dog wtf” but doesn’t stop them. These people aren’t the same and aren’t equally evil, and one will keep kicking the dog any time they’re elected, and the other tries to help the dog 8/10 times and kicks it 2/10 times. Just going off bills passed you can see the positions on immigration, big business, corruption, lgbtq+, everything besides Israel. One side has actual literal demons and one has people who do some things wrong.
Garland dragged his feet on Jan 6 charges, prompting Republicans who had previously voiced support for prosecuting him to regroup and change tactics, allowing the process to drag out until the election. Why did Biden appoint a GOP AG that was never going to be aggressive? It could be classified as a mistake, but it was completely foreseeable.
As for Biden’s immigration push, the bill Trump killed by telling the GOP not to support it in order to deny Biden a “win” was awful. It was everything the Republicans wanted, and Dems didn’t even include DACA protections, sacrificing immigrants once again to try to “own” the other party by demonstrating they are not interested in passing laws, something that everyone who is paying attention already understands. Biden also gave away a bunch of basic things in his environmental decisions. I mean, why allow drilling in ANWR? Who was that for? Even the things people are pointing to as a reason to have supported Biden are filled with poison.
You see a larger distinction between the parties than I do. I see republicans boiling puppies alive while Democrats stab them. Yeah, there is a difference, but not a demonstrable one.
Another thing you’re missing is James Comey publicly calling out the investigation into Hillary’s emails, which is completely improper, just so they would seem less biased to the Republicans as if they would ever not say it’s biased. It’s disgusting.
All of that being true, the Republicans are being literal actual demons. Calling trans people mentally ill women abusers and rapists, dragging American citizens out of their homes and locking them up for weeks or deporting them, they would literally make gay marriage illegal again if they could. Part of why roe v wade was reversed is because the Republicans refused to vote on Obama’s supreme court pick, which is extremely improper and denying the constitution’s intent. Massive tax cuts for billionaires (by cutting children’s cancer research WTF), canceling all ev tax credits, canceling huge solar farms, removing protections for parks and tons of other environmental protections. I could go on for hours, it’s just seriously unreal how evil they are.
Not sure what Comey has to do with Democrats being more similar to Republicans than they are different, but there is no question that Hillary Clinton mishandled classified information, as have literally every Secretary of State since Colin Powell. I know people personally who have been punished for less than what they did when it comes to classified materials, and it would have cost the DNC nothing to not shove her down our throats in 2016. On the contrary, her enabling a known sex pest for decades would have made it the perfect time to publicly and loudly throw her under the bus like they did Al Franken.
Stop including immigration. It does not help your argument. Obama was called the “deporter-in-chief” because he broke records for the number of people removed from the country. He separated kids from guardians like Trump, but he didn’t advertise it as a way of trying to deter those fleeing places we helped make unsafe. If you think this is a measurable difference in policy, you might be a mainstream Dem.
The only reason gay marriage is legal is that Republicans pressed their luck with the Defense of Marriage Act, and Biden managed to guafe his way into making Obama reverse the position he held when he was elected the first time. How brave!!! There is no doubt that there will be more than a few prominant democrats who join the Republicans to strip that right away when the time comes.
Democrats had literal decades to codify Roe, but instead they used it as an evergreen issue to fundraise on. When the inevitable finally happened, Biden could have directed the military bases in states that outlawed abortion to set up places on federal land to provide health care to women in those states and restore their rights. But he didn’t do that. Instead, he gave a speech to a roomful of donors and regurgitated anti-choice talking points he learned from the Pope.
Tell me again what Democrats did to counter the Republicans stealing the SCOTUS seat that Obama appointed a lifelong Republican to, but instead went to a lifelong republican appointed by Trump? That’s right, they put together a committee that failed to recommend anything.
I don’t understand how anyone can be so upset with Republicans, but not mind Democrats.
I was using comey as an example of democrats trying to be good faith and avoid seeming biased, and Republicans not caring and smearing them anyway. I think democrats have learned that lesson, with the majority now voting directly on party lines (minus the few who are just Republicans, like Chuck Schumer).
Hillary won the popular vote in the primaries in 2016, blame the voters for saying “Bernie old socialism bad, can’t vote for him!!” And then voting for Trump. She definitely mishandled documents as did every president, but no president had such an incredible witch hunt for a mistake every president in the history of the US has made, that was loudly broadcast on national news, called out by the head fbi agent, that is just insanity.
The Obama number was because they now did formal “removals” where previoue administrations did informal “returns,” i.e. at the border or recently crossed in, which massively inflated the numbers. Not to say there weren’t some terrible situations with immigration under him. In his second term they changed focus with ICE to avoid people who had been settled, and mainly go after those who had committed crimes or recently crossed. Again there were definitely some hugely negative parts to it, but Biden had no such draconian policy. Even the worst things done by Obama pale in comparison to what Trump is doing, and unlike Obama who changed course, Trump is tripling down, trying to kill as many brown people as possible, and we’re only 2 years in.
Gay marriage was not that popular during the Obama years, there has been a massive shift in that in the past ~15 years or so. When I was growing up, bullying people for being gay and saying it’s unnatural and wrong was extremely common, now you really only hear that from very religious or very extreme Republicans. In about 2010 that shift started to swing over to most people don’t mind it, and the president and senate will reflect their constituency. I’m not saying he was a saint on these issues, but Republicans are, with no exaggeration, literal demons who want trans and gay people to stop existing.
I really don’t think codifying roe v wade would have made any difference with this supreme court, they would just say “it’s unconstitutional cuz it kills a life lol” and it’s gone. They probably should have anyway, but it would’ve just been symbolic, the Republicans do not care about rules at all.
I mean I can’t really argue on that, democrats seem to have a “the guardrails will hold” attitude while the Republicans tear through them any chance they get. I’ve been immensely disappointed several times, like when some “”“democrats”“”" caved during the government shutdown, what was the point of holding out at all then?
I’m just saying one side is being literal demons, and one side is not resistant enough to those demons. Democrats in power = sometimes very good policy, sometimes very bad policy. Republicans in power = ruin everyone’s lives, tear families apart at a massive scale, destroy the environment, get into wars, support dictators, kill American citizens, defraud the government, cheat more evil people into power. Even if your single ticket issue was israel palestine, Trump is literally netanyahu’s lapdog, and basically doubled their funding.
You mention Schumer being a Dem who acts like a Pub, as if he is a fringe member of the party and not a DNC leader. How can you view Democrats as “sometimes good policy, sometimes very bad policy” when someone like Schumer has been in leadership for decades? The fish rots from the head, so to speak.
I think your framing of Obama (and then Biden)‘s immigration policies is generous to the point of dishonesty. Let’s assume you are right and Obama’s second term was gentler and wiser and only went after bad guys; and we both agree on the definition of a bad guy. Biden’s term, after seeing what Trump did with ICE, made no effort to put in guardrails while continuing Obama’s second-term enlightened immigration actions (again, for the sake of argument, I’m agreeing with your point; in fact, ICE under Biden illegally deported an American citizen right before the midterms, but I digress). At what point do you fault blue presidents for not lifting a finger to stop future red presidents from being able to do so much damage from the executive branch? Obama was the constitutional professor who was going to fix the Bush administration’s power grab. Instead, he ruled as if he had adopted the Unified Executive theory when he swore the oath at the inauguration. Coming back to reality, how do you square the Democrats’ push for a Biden immigration bill just as draconian as any Republican proposal, particularly throwing DACA recipients under the bus, with your claim that Dems are better on policy?
Codifying Roe would have made reversing it much harder. You mentioned gay marriage. Do you see how much further SCOTUS has to go to knock down that law than it did with Roe? They literally would still be trying to move in that direction instead of being years into the decision. Any thoughts on Biden not doing anything to counter Dobbs, even though the ruling was leaked before the decision was announced? The old bastard failed to respond; instead, as I said, he spoke to a room full of donors about not supporting “abortion on demand”. Like, when the fuck are they supposed to happen, when the mom doesn’t want one? Any thoughts on how having a Democratic president at that moment was any better than having a Republican?
You didn’t address Obama’s flip-flop on gay marriage in your paragraph on gay marriage. Not sure what you are trying to say there other than Obama was a reactionary president, something I fully agree with and hold against him. That is exactly how W was.
Again, we end where we have been landing. We both think Republicans are ‘demons’. I think Democrats are demons with better PR. You think they are good-faith actors, ineffective at preventing demons from being demonic. So my last question is, why support them if they are not good at battling the demons?
PS: I appreciate the time you have taken to debate an anonymous malcontent on the internet.