But the body of the article also claims that it isn’t a genocide, and tries to conflate antizionism with antisemitism by saying that people who call it a genocide are one of those things (or both), and that it’s just a way to hate on Jewish people (instead of it clearly being a charge against the Israeli government). Per the text:
So why does the argument over the word “genocide” matter? Two reasons.
First, while some pundits and scholars may sincerely believe the genocide charge, it is also used by anti-Zionists and antisemites to equate modern Israel with Nazi Germany. The effect is to license a new wave of Jew hatred, stirring enmity not only for the Israeli government but also for any Jew who supports Israel as a genocide supporter. It’s a tactic Israel haters have pursued for years with inflated or bogus charges of Israeli massacres or war crimes that, on close inspection, weren’t. The genocide charge is more of the same but with deadlier effects.
I wish that was more helpful in understanding their views, but unfortunately I’ve seen pro-israeli people who try to couch things by mentioning that the killing of Palestinians is bad, but (insert qualifier for why Israel has a right to defend itself, etc). To be clear I’m not saying that qrstuv is doing that as well there, just that it doesn’t really clear things up as much as hoped.
I also want to mention I am not a fan of purity testing, I think it can result in witch hunts and potentially mob sentiment, but there is a point where it’s useful for someone to make their views clear so as not to be misunderstood. qrstuv has been posting what I would personally consider pro-israeli propaganda nytimes articles for quite some time now, without ever adding any of their own additional context that would clearly show they are posting it to point out how ridiculous it is, to mock, etc.
Some Examples (most of which now appear to be deleted from sdf itself? but are still are visible on my instance):
I’m a big fan of Funhole, and I get that this is a very jokey sorta group where serious responses aren’t the norm, but I do think in this instance it’d probably be appropriate for them to be less ambiguous on their stance just to clear the air here.
Look, I don’t know anything about any of that. I’m here to create Fun content and get mad at computers. I just think it’s absurd that thousands of lemmy users are prevented from seeing my content, because of someone else’s interpretation of another user’s activity.
Some Examples (most of which now appear to be deleted from sdf itself? but are still are visible on my instance):
There are 9 months of SDF content missing because of a storage outage in April.
but I do think in this instance it’d probably be appropriate for them to be less ambiguous on their stance just to clear the air here.
If you have to explain your art, you’re doing it wrong.
If you have to explain your art, you’re doing it wrong.
They don’t have to explain their art, but I think it would likely be helpful in resolving this situation that is preventing people from seeing your content if qrstuv explained what their intention was in posting pro-israeli government propaganda with no additional context for months in a non-art news community 🤷
Most of the posts on /c/news are locked with no ability to leave a comment, though? And the comments that were made on some of the posts before they were locked are just people earnestly responding to the article?
Coming from someone who likes weird humor, I’m not seeing anything that would distinguish it from any other news community.
Don’t believe me? Leave a comment reply on a post there with an abbreviation and get back to me in 2 days.
This post has people in the comments using abbreviations, but nothing in particular seemed to happen?
Most of the posts on /c/news are locked with no ability to leave a comment, though?
That’s part of the schtick.
[…] but nothing in particular seemed to happen?
Oh I guarantee you something did, though it may’ve expired by now. The remaining records may’ve just been lost after our home instance suffered a data loss.
it’s a title of an article that was shared in c/news
The block boss doesn’t understand that.
But the body of the article also claims that it isn’t a genocide, and tries to conflate antizionism with antisemitism by saying that people who call it a genocide are one of those things (or both), and that it’s just a way to hate on Jewish people (instead of it clearly being a charge against the Israeli government). Per the text:
What is qrstuv’s stance on the body of the text?
You would have to ask him.
I wish that was more helpful in understanding their views, but unfortunately I’ve seen pro-israeli people who try to couch things by mentioning that the killing of Palestinians is bad, but (insert qualifier for why Israel has a right to defend itself, etc). To be clear I’m not saying that qrstuv is doing that as well there, just that it doesn’t really clear things up as much as hoped.
I also want to mention I am not a fan of purity testing, I think it can result in witch hunts and potentially mob sentiment, but there is a point where it’s useful for someone to make their views clear so as not to be misunderstood. qrstuv has been posting what I would personally consider pro-israeli propaganda nytimes articles for quite some time now, without ever adding any of their own additional context that would clearly show they are posting it to point out how ridiculous it is, to mock, etc.
Some Examples (most of which now appear to be deleted from sdf itself? but are still are visible on my instance):
I’m a big fan of Funhole, and I get that this is a very jokey sorta group where serious responses aren’t the norm, but I do think in this instance it’d probably be appropriate for them to be less ambiguous on their stance just to clear the air here.
That’s just my 2 cents.
Look, I don’t know anything about any of that. I’m here to create Fun content and get mad at computers. I just think it’s absurd that thousands of lemmy users are prevented from seeing my content, because of someone else’s interpretation of another user’s activity.
There are 9 months of SDF content missing because of a storage outage in April.
If you have to explain your art, you’re doing it wrong.
They don’t have to explain their art, but I think it would likely be helpful in resolving this situation that is preventing people from seeing your content if qrstuv explained what their intention was in posting pro-israeli government propaganda with no additional context for months in a non-art news community 🤷
/c/news most certainly is an art community. It’s bizarre art, mind you, whose schtick sometimes feels a bit drawn out, but art nonetheless.
Don’t believe me? Leave a comment reply on a post there with an abbreviation and get back to me in 2 days.
Most of the posts on /c/news are locked with no ability to leave a comment, though? And the comments that were made on some of the posts before they were locked are just people earnestly responding to the article?
Coming from someone who likes weird humor, I’m not seeing anything that would distinguish it from any other news community.
This post has people in the comments using abbreviations, but nothing in particular seemed to happen?
That’s part of the schtick.
Oh I guarantee you something did, though it may’ve expired by now. The remaining records may’ve just been lost after our home instance suffered a data loss.
Can’t prove OP isn’t the NYT
Touché!