Their “houses are for living, not for speculating” slogan.
China’s government might be actually doing something with that… Just to by the other hand harden their mass control and mass surveillance even more; not for anything they have one of the biggest — if not the biggest — regional firewalls (maybe just behind North Korea’s one) — the GFW. Then also they have “Reeducation Camps”, and all that stuff that any good fascist dictatorship has. Not to forgive Xi Jingping image cult.
So yeah, at what cost? It’s at the cost of their freedom.
Oh, and China has other parties outside the Chinese Communist Party? To think, ladies and gentlemen.
Fair points I guess, but I’d like to point out that a lot of these were made as defensive measures against outside interference and aren’t actually all that different from stuff NATO countries are doing right now. Their mass surveillance isn’t driven by corporations trying to extract every last penny off of you, which is more than what any NATO country can say. You can also just get a VPN in China and access the outside internet relatively easily. And what Xi Jinping image cult? I’m pretty sure that ended with Mao. There are also other political parties in China BTW, although they only serve advisory positions to the CPC. Not saying any of this stuff is good, of course, just that it’s not that much worse, or in some cases even better, than rival countries. Maybe someone more knowledgeable about China can explain this better.
Yeah, I’m not saying that NATO or the US are better, but I’m trying to push back against the polarized, totally pro-China folks who are only following a “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” rhetoric, thus becoming blind to all of China’s major issues.
For example, another point is that the entire economic boom in China is driven by an enormous working class that is heavily overexploited by the State yet rendered invisible for convenience, and that is barely compensated with less than the cost of a piece of candy for that labor.
You can also just get a VPN in China and access the outside internet relatively easily.
I wouldn’t be so sure. You need much more than that (as far as I remember, a specific form of DPI bypass, sometimes the use of multiple VPNs at once [which are hard to find and download because their sites are blocked within China’s territory], sometimes even Tor or another overlay network or mixnet [such as Nym, I2P, Hyphanet, or Freenet], and a lot more stuff that I don’t recall precisely because it’s far beyond my current technical knowledge).
…there are more parties…
Can you name a few? I’m asking honestly, not out of malice or to be combative; I’d like to know more about that, tbh, because it’s hard for me not to be skeptical about that claim.
And what Xi Jinping image cult?
Do you remember the whole thing with the Winnie the Pooh picture? Well, sort of that. Only a person who is egocentric, egolatrized, and narcissistic enough to instigate a cult of personality would actually ban something like that, and do it the way he did it. Also, you don’t have to go that far — look at the streets and you’re going to see photos and pictures of Jinping everywhere.
And yeah, I know that it’s quite normal for a politician to display photos of himself in public areas, but not on that scale. Trust me, I know what I’m talking about; I’m from Venezuela, and both Chávez and Maduro had (and Chávez still has) a huge cult of personality, and everything aligns with Jinping’s imagery.
Their “houses are for living, not for speculating” slogan is an example.
China’s government might be actually doing something with that… Just to by the other hand harden their mass control and mass surveillance even more; not for anything they have one of the biggest — if not the biggest — regional firewalls (maybe just behind North Korea’s one) — the GFW. Then also they have “Reeducation Camps”, and all that stuff that any good fascist dictatorship has. Not to forgive Xi Jingping image cult.
So yeah, at what cost? It’s at the cost of their freedom.
Oh, and China has other parties outside the Chinese Communist > Party? To think, ladies and gentlemen.
Lol, so you don’t understand the first thing about how China’s government works, and you take everything the US State Department and billionaire-owned media say at face value. That says a lot about you, but not much about material conditions in China.
The only freedom China lacks is the “freedom” to be a lazy parasite getting fat off the labor of others. But I can see why that would be concerning if you take the Epstein class and their pet “journalists” seriously when they assert that the freedom to exploit is the only real kind of freedom so obviously China’s an authoritarian hellhole.
I’m not taking that from the U.S.
I’m just being consistent. The U.S. is good? Hell no, they’re fucking shit. That means that China’s good, automatically? Not, they’re fucking shit too. It’s as simple as that, I hate both because they’re simply the polar opposite of good.
If you say China is bad too, but you can’t provide any source for “China Bad” other than the US State Department and Billionaire-owned media, then you clearly don’t think China is bad “too” because you’re happy to take the word of the US that China is bad.
I genuinely don’t believe you know even the most basic things about how China’s government is organized and who gets a say. I say that because you obviously don’t even know the name of the single party when you whine about it being a single party state, and because you think that them being a single party state has any bearing on how their government is organized or the amount of freedom enjoyed by their citizens.
Maybe start with that and come back when you know anyfuckingthing at all about the subject under discussion.
I have explained everything with a lot more details in other comments.
Read them before you hastily conclude that I don’t know what I’m talking about, because I’m not gonna repeat myself again and again to people that polarized; you’re falling into a non-sequitur fallacy from a fallacy of appeal to ignorance and a fallacy of the straw man.
I have explained everything with a lot more details in other comments
Doesn’t seem to be showing in your profile, got a link?
Read them before you hastily conclude that I don’t know what I’m talking about
It wasn’t that hasty, you made it pretty obvious, but I still waited til you removed all doubt.
you’re falling into a non-sequitur fallacy from a fallacy of appeal to ignorance and a fallacy of the straw man.
And now I’m starting to think you don’t know what any of those things mean either, since none of them apply here. But when you come back with that link that totally exists that shows you’ve ever demonstrated a single bit of knowledge about China’s government, you can also explain how anything I said meets the definition of those fallacies, and we can all have a good laugh.
Xi may be doing things well, but with a truly distopic fine-print beyond every single good thing.
such as…?
Their “houses are for living, not for speculating” slogan. China’s government might be actually doing something with that… Just to by the other hand harden their mass control and mass surveillance even more; not for anything they have one of the biggest — if not the biggest — regional firewalls (maybe just behind North Korea’s one) — the GFW. Then also they have “Reeducation Camps”, and all that stuff that any good fascist dictatorship has. Not to forgive Xi Jingping image cult.
So yeah, at what cost? It’s at the cost of their freedom. Oh, and China has other parties outside the Chinese Communist Party? To think, ladies and gentlemen.
Fair points I guess, but I’d like to point out that a lot of these were made as defensive measures against outside interference and aren’t actually all that different from stuff NATO countries are doing right now. Their mass surveillance isn’t driven by corporations trying to extract every last penny off of you, which is more than what any NATO country can say. You can also just get a VPN in China and access the outside internet relatively easily. And what Xi Jinping image cult? I’m pretty sure that ended with Mao. There are also other political parties in China BTW, although they only serve advisory positions to the CPC. Not saying any of this stuff is good, of course, just that it’s not that much worse, or in some cases even better, than rival countries. Maybe someone more knowledgeable about China can explain this better.
Yeah, I’m not saying that NATO or the US are better, but I’m trying to push back against the polarized, totally pro-China folks who are only following a “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” rhetoric, thus becoming blind to all of China’s major issues.
For example, another point is that the entire economic boom in China is driven by an enormous working class that is heavily overexploited by the State yet rendered invisible for convenience, and that is barely compensated with less than the cost of a piece of candy for that labor.
I wouldn’t be so sure. You need much more than that (as far as I remember, a specific form of DPI bypass, sometimes the use of multiple VPNs at once [which are hard to find and download because their sites are blocked within China’s territory], sometimes even Tor or another overlay network or mixnet [such as Nym, I2P, Hyphanet, or Freenet], and a lot more stuff that I don’t recall precisely because it’s far beyond my current technical knowledge).
Can you name a few? I’m asking honestly, not out of malice or to be combative; I’d like to know more about that, tbh, because it’s hard for me not to be skeptical about that claim.
Do you remember the whole thing with the Winnie the Pooh picture? Well, sort of that. Only a person who is egocentric, egolatrized, and narcissistic enough to instigate a cult of personality would actually ban something like that, and do it the way he did it. Also, you don’t have to go that far — look at the streets and you’re going to see photos and pictures of Jinping everywhere. And yeah, I know that it’s quite normal for a politician to display photos of himself in public areas, but not on that scale. Trust me, I know what I’m talking about; I’m from Venezuela, and both Chávez and Maduro had (and Chávez still has) a huge cult of personality, and everything aligns with Jinping’s imagery.
“at what cost” lol
“But at what cost??” ass take.
Copy-paste because I have things to do:
Do you apply the same scrutiny to whatever western country you twerk for?
Where you take that conclusion from? I’m not saying that western governments are better, but that both (western and eastern) are shit.
Lol, so you don’t understand the first thing about how China’s government works, and you take everything the US State Department and billionaire-owned media say at face value. That says a lot about you, but not much about material conditions in China.
The only freedom China lacks is the “freedom” to be a lazy parasite getting fat off the labor of others. But I can see why that would be concerning if you take the Epstein class and their pet “journalists” seriously when they assert that the freedom to exploit is the only real kind of freedom so obviously China’s an authoritarian hellhole.
I’m not taking that from the U.S. I’m just being consistent. The U.S. is good? Hell no, they’re fucking shit. That means that China’s good, automatically? Not, they’re fucking shit too. It’s as simple as that, I hate both because they’re simply the polar opposite of good.
If you say China is bad too, but you can’t provide any source for “China Bad” other than the US State Department and Billionaire-owned media, then you clearly don’t think China is bad “too” because you’re happy to take the word of the US that China is bad.
I genuinely don’t believe you know even the most basic things about how China’s government is organized and who gets a say. I say that because you obviously don’t even know the name of the single party when you whine about it being a single party state, and because you think that them being a single party state has any bearing on how their government is organized or the amount of freedom enjoyed by their citizens.
Maybe start with that and come back when you know anyfuckingthing at all about the subject under discussion.
I have explained everything with a lot more details in other comments. Read them before you hastily conclude that I don’t know what I’m talking about, because I’m not gonna repeat myself again and again to people that polarized; you’re falling into a non-sequitur fallacy from a fallacy of appeal to ignorance and a fallacy of the straw man.
Doesn’t seem to be showing in your profile, got a link?
It wasn’t that hasty, you made it pretty obvious, but I still waited til you removed all doubt.
And now I’m starting to think you don’t know what any of those things mean either, since none of them apply here. But when you come back with that link that totally exists that shows you’ve ever demonstrated a single bit of knowledge about China’s government, you can also explain how anything I said meets the definition of those fallacies, and we can all have a good laugh.
Yes ofc. Keep moving the goal posts :D