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Norm Finkelstein argues back that anti-Semitism is defined as an “irrational” hatred of Jews, but that the resentment is rational.
Hasan argues that no people are monolithic, and the scapegoating of Jews is a common tactic. That people understand that when Tucker Carlson says America has “demographic concerns”, that is white supremacy.
He says that if Jews were monolithic there would not be such a generational divide on Zionism and billions spent to maintain its indoctrination.
Finkelstein says he would not tell someone who has experienced the Holocaust that they should not hate Germans. And that he would not argue with a Palestinian who feels the same way about Jews.
Norm cites that 95% of Israeli citizens agree with the force used against Gaza, and that its citizen army that represents its population carried out mass starvation as a method of war.
Hasan Piker says he agrees with the facts, but he has a more optimistic perspective in terms of changing people’s minds on conflating Judaism with Zionism.
Sure, but (and I think this is Norm’s point) are you gonna try and tell a Palestinian that? Like if some Palestianian woman who watched her entire family get liquidated by the IDF in the most horrific way possible is spouting some anti-Semetic conspiracy theory nonsense, are you really gonna be like “no, not all Jews!”?
No. I get your point, but that’s a trauma response, right? It’s not necessarily going to be rational, and we shouldn’t expect it to be. You can’t “correct” someone’s response to trauma.
And I think that goes back to Hasan’s point that Israel trying to tie Jewishness to Israel (or support for Israel) makes that response more likely, and Israel doing it is worthy of condemnation because of the blowback that will be felt by anti-Zionist Jews.
Whilst that may be happening, a lot of what is being said and done by Palestinians that is called antisemitism is just honestly stating what is happening. Jews took their lands, jews are killing them, jews are oppressing them, jews overseas send money to jews in Israel citing judaism who kill Palestinians while waving the star of david.
And Palestinians can’t say that without it being deemed antisemitic, and that isn’t fair.
that’s not a case for “not all jews”, those are just factually incorrect. obviously we’re not going to browbeat someone but there’s jbs dinosaurs and klan offshoots around here so i’d broach the topic on the basis of not helping those groups out by saying certain things in public when they’d just as soon kill her too.