How could they when its always cut taxes?
Is voting conservative essentially a fuck-you-to-civi-society vote? Basically slytherin
Well, they keep improving things for narcissistic billionaires and their own self interests. Does that count?
THEY DON’T
I’ve been alive for over 4 decades. At no point in that timespan have I witnessed Republicans do anything of value for average Americans. They have no ideas. They have no plans. Their sole objective is to create culture war bullshit to get elected, then grift as much as they can get away with, then lose, then start culture war bullshit to get elected, rinse and repeat.
Is voting conservative essentially a fuck-you-to-civi-society vote?
Essentially. When conservatives/regressives vote, they’re doing it out of spite for various reasons. Some just want to stick it to the libs. Some want to stick it to the federal government as a whole by “shaking things up”. Some want to remove anyone that doesn’t have white skin. Some want to secure a Christian Nationalist nation.
When libs vote they’re trying to secure a more equitable future for EVERYONE. When conservatives/regressives vote it’s a hate thing.
EDIT: To be fair, I didn’t know this was on Lemmy.ca when I wrote it. Not taking it down though. As an American I’ve witnessed the horrors of conservative leadership and that has led me to have absolutely no trust in conservatism on a global scale. And what little I do know about CA politics has made me prefer their liberal leadership on a moral basis.
The position of conservative governments for the last 40 years or so has been that it’s not government’s job to do… anything. That government in all its forms is bad and to prove this they actively attempt to make it not work. That’s the whole point of the conservative movement. Why would they improve anything. It is their deeply held belief that corporations and CEOs are the only solution to any problem, and if CEOs aren’t fixing it, then it’s not worth fixing, and probably isn’t even really a problem. Laws are just a poor substitute for corporate policy, investors are the natural modern aristocracy because money is the only virtue, so if you have it, everything you do should be considered good. If you disagree with any decision they make, then you are evil. They’ll use whatever the code word of the day is (Communist, Socialist, Woke, Liberal, Leftist, Godless heathen), but it doesn’t matter what the actual definition of those words are, what they mean is “Evil” and it’s defined as anything that looks like dissent from the corporate aristocracy.
nailed it honestly. the “corporations are the only legit authority” thing explains literally every conservative policy position if you squint. laws = annoying suggestion, CEO decision = gospel. and yeah the code word rotation is real, swap in whatever scares the base that week, meaning stays the same: “person who wants public goods to exist.” good breakdown
Behind it is the belief that everyone gets what they deserve, so if you’re wealthy it’s because you’re more deserving of wealth, and if you’re poor, unemployed and hungry it’s because you deserve poverty and hunger. American right-wingers will seldom admit that you can be unemployed or poor through no fault of your own. They don’t seem to allow themselves the concept of a systematic injustice, or even of economic forces causing people to become unemployed. Deep down perhaps they know it happens, but you won’t often catch them admitting it out loud.
This belief that the world rewards people according to their merits and deserts ties in nicely with evangelical Christianity, and the idea that God administers this global rewards system. Why help the poor if God put them there because they deserve to suffer? Might as well buy yourself some luxuries and enjoy your God-given wealth.
It’s not really a philosophy, of course. It’s basic selfishness and greed dressed up as a political philosophy. As a philosophy it obviously doesn’t hold up for five minutes: you can only fail to see the injustice in the world if your eyes are very firmly and resolutely shut. And you can’t believe in investing in the stock market unless you believe there’s an economy with booms and busts and people winding up unemployed due to forces beyond their control. But they won’t admit it.
Their behaviour proves that they don’t really hold principled beliefs, but are just improvising to make peace with their own selfishness. As soon as they themselves fall on hard times, their professed beliefs no longer apply and it’s everyone’s fault but theirs. As soon as they get a sniff of power, their professed love of guns to fight tyranny turns into an eagerness to use guns to impose tyranny. They live by no principle except craven selfishness.
Absolute nonsense. It was a conservative government that dealt with the massive debt left by the liberal governments under the first Trudeau the negotiated the original free trade deal that saved our asses at the time. It was a conservative government that moved from the hidden taxes to the GST which made things considerably better as well. It was a conservative government that wrote the banking act that saved us during the great recession while the American banking system collapsed.
And it was a later CPC government that pulled a bunch of extremely unique and Innovative tricks to get us through the great recession largely unscathed compared to other countries. Tricks that Trudeau would later use but had never been used before.
The current conservative party is making dozens of extremely good suggestions that would radically change how things are: And Carney based his entire campaign off of other conservative suggestions
It would be more accurate to say that conservatives are the only party that proposes solutions. The liberal steal some of them and then fail to execute
False:
Since at least the Diefenbaker administration liberal governments have closed deficits until Trudeau Jr., while they’ve only gotten worse under conservative leaders. Harper had the highest deficits in history until Justin said “hold my beer, eh.” Mulroney made sales tax explicit, sure, he also made it so it wasn’t on the sticker price and raised the rate. The CPC barely had to do anything because regulations passed under prior liberal governments kept us from taking on bad risk, but I will grant they had some interesting ideas along with the things that have hamstrung workers ever since. 90% of Trudeau’s worst decisions were just saying “Yes AND…” to CPC policy.
The modern conservative party has no good suggestions, because all the good ideas, have already been stolen by Carney. His policy is basically just getting things back to the Harper baseline, and everything PP has proposed that’s unique, is objectively terrible.
Your historical revisionism, is bad and you should feel bad.
No. You’re wrong. Here’s a chart
As you can see almost all of our peaks are always around the liberals. The liberals almost unanimously add massive amounts to the debt
Worse the liberals usually leave things in such a mess that we have massive inflation that has to have massive increases in interest rates which makes the debt grow even faster and they just leave that for conservatives to deal with
So it would be you who is rewriting history and badly at that
Trudeau racked up debt and massively spiked inflation, mulroney put that down
Chretchen only reduced the deficit and debt by stealing 70 billion dollars from the unemployment insurance fund and left things a mess, harper scared us through the economic crisis
Justin Trudeau borrowed more money than every other prime minister before him and Carney is set to do the same
The only people who have had good ideas in the last 60 years have been conservatives. And Carney ran on conservative ideas now.
Sorry kid, you failed that one hard
The peaks are always the Liberals.
Congratulations now let’s think about that for one second if there’s a peak, that means it turned around. If there’s just a slope up and to the right, that means the debt only went up. But thank you for providing the evidence for me. I wish you understood it.
Nope, it doesn’t mean it’s turned around. I can go over the numbers and circumstances leading up to each and every one if you like. I feel like that won’t work out the way you wanted,
The conservatives came up with gst, free trade agreements, and banking changes that saved us during the worldwide recession, they came up with ‘shovel ready’ infrastructure models during the recession which really worked for us, along with the cmhc buy back which was nothing short of brilliant and kept our banks flush with cash to lend, and about a dozen other things. And PP has proposed many ideas that would make a substantial difference right now. Carney steals ideas but can’t implement.
I’m sure it’s upsetting because it doesn’t meet with your narrative but that doesn’t make it less true.
Oh look it’s this guy! He reads a headline somewhere and the acts like he knows things. But if you actually ask him pointed questions about things to prove his knowledge he breaks down into name calling 😂.
Yeah I’m kind of seeing that. Well, maybe he’ll be able to defend his position this time
Conservatives only have 2 tools in their belt.
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Privatization (Crony Capitalism)
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Fear Mongering (Fascism)
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In Canada, our conservative party’s leader has spent his entire adult life in politics, been an elected MP for 22 years -since age 25- and has ZERO legislative accomplishments to his name. He has not proposed or directly contributed to a single bill that was turned into law.
All while partisanly voting down every single bill that didn’t originate from his party.
My brain completely forgot that PP exists so when I read ‘conservative party’ I was like “no, Carney isn’t a career politician”. Because the Libs are the real conservatives now sadly. (The cons still are obviously).
Edit: BTW, as handy as that OCP sheet is, the person who runs that account/“business” is a known scammer.
the Libs are the real conservatives now sadly.
Always have been. LPC is a center-right party that has formed 75% of the governments in Canada.
If you can find a better one I’ll swap it.
Yeah there really isnt one, but she made it based on the Greenpeace work here and that’s the one they link to as well.
The OCP info is usually good and accurate, but just a warning to people not to give them any money for services unless you’re okay with potentially wasting or losing your money.
I wish there was a way to hold peoples voting records against them
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They think the root of all problems is public involvement so getting rid of that will fix things.
They aren’t interested in improving things for others, only themselves. As W.S. Burroughs conveyed so succinctly:
‘The President appears on national TV and gives the American people the finger. “I got mine, fuck you! It’s every crumb for himself!"’
It’s not just these Neocons being idiotic. Both sides never want to improve anything, for they are under the Vatican’s thumb.
Anything they want to do, the need to get permission from the Jesuit Superior General, or the Pope first.
Well that’s a weird direction to go in. I’m pretty sure the pope has almost nothing to do with this, and hasn’t for a couple hundred years. It’s the corporate aristocracy that’s the problem. In the west at least, the church is basically irrelevant these days.
It’s not weird when you look into the history of the Catholic Church, and read writings from the likes of J.A. Wylie, H.G. Guinness, E.B. Eliot, and others of the like, who knew exactly what the beast system was, and still is.
My guy, it is the Common Era 2026. You’re talking about circumstances that haven’t existed since the 19th century. Western Europe and North America are almost entirely divorced from the Roman Catholic church, and that era of Vatican leadership is all but gone. South American Liberation Catholics have more influence over the modern Holy See than that faction of Catholicism, and Protestant Evangelicalism and Russian Orthodoxy are the current biggest threats to western civilization. You’re scared of a minority among a minority with little modern relevance. The LDS church alone has more wealth and power than all of Catholicism combined, and you’re worried about a tiny sub-sect of ultra-conservative Catholics pulling strings? They may have a stronger presence in Eastern Europe, but they’re utterly irrelevant outside that sphere.
What is the relevancy of that? It’s all tied to the Vatican, all things considered. Heck, it’s tied to the Jesuit Superior General, who makes this stuff happen, and multiple generals before him planned it way in advance.
