So, let’s say you have a system where people go to work, do their job, and get paid. The employer wants more productivity, so the work becomes more stressful (“a full workload”). The worker does more for less, the company celebrates.
There is a hidden element here: stress. Your workers will be more productive, however their baseline stress levels will rise over time. It’s cumulative and takes years to show; but it means everyone above a certain age who works a well paying job has a high stress burden. A lot of people live without any job security.
Stressed organisms do not reproduce.
I’d put it this way: being a parent is basically a second job. If your workplace takes 100% of your work capacity, then there is none left for raising children.
everyone above a certain age who works a well paying job
Haha I wish
Do you have any idea how much you have to abuse a living being for it to consciously not want to have kids?
And we achieved this level of abuse on humans! And we did it very well, in reproducible way, with reproducible results across multiple countries! We should make a research paper about it.
this feels like that one sponge bob meme template with the trash or whatevs.
I just don’t want kids. Knew I never wanted to be a parent ever since I was a kid having to help my parents raise my nephews and niece. I could be a billionaire and every problem on Earth could be solved, I still wouldn’t have kids.
That’s something that people deliberately ignore
There’s still so much stigma in being child-free that people make up more socially palatable excuses rather than just saying “I don’t want kids”
There is no part of my life that would be improved by having kids
Every part of my life would be less pleasant if I had kids
Simples.
Child-free for 35 years, then had 2 within 2 years. Entirely a personal decision and nobody should dictate to anyone else how they live their lives.
Needless to say my entire perspective has shifted. Its given me a purpose and an outlook I never dreamed I could have. Your mileage may vary.
Of course it shifted
I find your “purpose and outlook” comment to be condescending, clichéd and pointless
You will spend the rest of your life justifying your choice, and the fact that you felt the need to do so, unprompted, to a complete stranger, who clearly does not give a fuck tells me that you know deep down that you fucked up
You weren’t CF for 35 years if you suddenly changed your mind
You either weren’t CF, or you had kids for some stupid reason, and now feel that you have to justify your “change of heart”
Don’t forget about the economy :(
Yeah, I was gonna say that’s probably the biggest factor. All of these are environmental, which I support but I know many who don’t care. It’s money…
Implying the politicians in the government are capable of feeling shame?
I would like to have kids, and that’s as far as that joke is allowed to go. I just want little people to clean my house while I get drunk, that’s the joke.
In the US you can’t even buy vegetables right now without worrying about getting explosive diarrhea. Just the thing you want for your children.
The rest of the world feels for you Americans right now, hopefully you get through this very soon! lets hope the CDC and the WHO can prevent the spread of the cyclosporiasis parasite soon.
CDC is currently having trouble finding the source and keeping track because a few years ago Trump literally dismantled the very programs that were tasked with doing so.
Of course that ridiculous old fart would do something like that smh
Our government is just trying to help the people of America by tackling the obesity crisis with this all natural ozempic alternative!
/s (if it wasn’t obvious)
You slash s, but real talk. Make sure your food is up to temperature. A lot of people are about to find out why past us made the FDA in the first place.
I was looking at the costs of raising a child the other day and I don’t know how anyone does it. My job pays garbage with trash health insurance.
I’m just so mad at the management class with their high pay and not doing any actual work. My boss seems fine - I think he knows this is bullshit and goes a little out of his way to make it easier for me. But everyone above him? If I saw them drowning I’d have to think a long time before throwing a life vest.
I could totally afford a child, but if I chose to do that, I wouldn’t be able to afford anything else fun, so I haven’t chosen to. By all means, I make a pretty decent living and would’ve probably been in the upper middle class 20 years ago.
They don’t want to make it more affordable to have children so that women are forced to drop out of the workforce to stay home and raise them.
But they also don’t pay enough to be able to raise a kid without both parents working too, I take it?
Keep them poor and distracted.
But imagine if your kid would be so special they could invent solution to all these problems!
/s
Twist: the solution is communism
They have lowering birth rates, too, though, I thought.
Not to mention the clear financial aspect
This is a much better reason, frankly.
“I couldn’t bring a child into a world like this” is a bit of mental gymnastics that people use to convince themselves that they’re being noble and selfless with this decision, when in reality it’s neither noble nor ignoble, neither selfless nor selfish. Every child eventually hits their parents with the classic “I never asked to be born!”, and while it’s certainly true, NOBODY asks to be born, and life has ALWAYS sucked in some way or another. Should pre-humans have refused to have kids because it would be cruel to bring them into a world where they have to kill to eat? Nonsense.
If people simply don’t want to have kids, they should simply say that and own it. They don’t OWE it to anybody to have kids - but they don’t owe it to anybody to not have kids, either. It’s not a moral decision in either direction. It’s simply a case that some people don’t feel up to the responsibility, and that’s fine: not superior, just fine.
And before anyone says that not having kids helps to keep the surplus population down: no problem on Earth is a result of the population being too high. There’s enough food for everyone; the problem is distribution. There’s enough land for everyone; the problem is that some people are hoarding. If the population starts using renewables and just generally going green, corporations build more data centers and invent other novel ways to waste resources.
My selfishness pushes me to not make life anyone else’s problem.
Every child eventually hits their parents with the classic “I never asked to be born!”, and while it’s certainly true, NOBODY asks to be born, and life has ALWAYS sucked in some way or another
Just because something has always been bad or worse and for everyone, that doesn’t make it ok.
The concept that either life must be perfect or else we’re all better off having never been born, is a hell of an extreme.
Why not? Pre-humans were not smart enough to recognise that having children would cause the children to suffer. Perhaps it would be better to simply die out as a species. It all depends on how you view morality and how you weigh non-existence
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If it depends on how you view it, then it’s not a moral obligation, it’s a personal preference. Which is fine, but just acknowledge that.
Except morality is subjective and thus inherently dependent upon how one views it. There is no such thing as “objective morality”. Morales are always about personal preferences.
There is no such thing as “objective morality”
Then there’s no such thing as morality, but personal preference.
no problem on Earth is a result of the population being too high.
Pre-industrial humans caused mass habitat loss, species extinction, and even climate change, and that was with their relatively miniscule populations and emissions. What quality of life are you imagining over eight billion people having such that we somehow don’t continue wrecking the environment? And how do you plan on putting the genie back in the bottle regarding all our polluting technological “advancements” that require fossil fuels and/or intensive mining? Who’s declaring to the world that plastics, electricity, and all forms of motorized technology are over, and how do you imagine this would be enforced?
Even completely stripped of all our technology, humans are still animals, and any animal species will wreak havoc on their environment when overpopulated. Hell you don’t even have to be an animal; go look up the Great Oxygenation Event or what happened when trees first evolved. What do you suppose Earth is going to be like for the millions of years required for it to adapt to the changes we’re making? Unlike monocellular organisms and plants, however, we are sapient creatures; if we can observe this is happening and know we’re the ones causing it, how is it not in any way a moral issue?
If you accept the concept of objective morality, then yes, it’s a moral issue. But I’ve already pointed out that population size is not the cause nor the solution. These are not actual percentages, but if I say “20% of the people cause 80% of the waste”, hopefully you’ll understand the underlying concept I’m trying to communicate.
More propaganda so it’s easier to strip women of their autonomy and access to contraception.
It’s not a crisis that the birth rate is falling.
I get the feeling people read your comment and didn’t actually understand it so they think you mean the comic is propaganda.
I also have some dedicated manosphere types that stalk my account frequently. Doesn’t bother me, but thank you for your comment :)
So true
And this people from Lemmy/reddit are… Well, you know what
Kids are pure love and happiness
Everyone should have the choice to have children or not.
Pushing propaganda that it’s a crisis that the birth rate is falling is to help strip women of their autonomy over when and how many children they have.
Governments should support families more than they do because it’s the right thing to do and not to force women to have more babies than they want.
So what does it mean that I’ve held these same beliefs for over 20 years now and didn’t need a comic? What does it mean that my wife holds the same beliefs, and that we’re both pro choice? Am I brainwashed? Have I been for decades now?
Or have I looked around and known I do not believe there is a moral way for me personally to bring life into this world. Adopt maybe, but not new life.
Heck, you don’t even have to go into morals. There are so many people who can barely take care of themselves. I wouldn’t entrust them to take care of another human being as well, and certainly not force them to do so.
As a parent, I will defend your right and choice to not have children every single day. People should only have children if they really want to and have the mental capacity to guide a child to relatively stable adulthood.
One of those things I don’t get, with all if the news on bad parents, why are we so eager to force people who obviously don’t want a child to have them? Obviously it’s not good for the child or the parent.
Of course then you realize it’s not about the child or the parent, but the person picketing and screaming and their own personal emotions. They think they are thinking of the children, but it’s much more selfish.
I was educated not to leave trash around when I visited nature.
“Abortion is green.”
I was educated to not leave trash around whatsoever.
There are a whole lot more reasons to NOT have kids imo.
Idk how you’d draw lower wages and less fulfilling jobs, but that too.
