IIRC, PF-dev Rimu recently explained exactly why he was trialing such limits in a recent software update post. I.e., to create a more efficient internal & external software / HW backbone, for us users, AFAIK. Based on network / host / server loads etc, as I read the updates.
But yeah… the amount of recent negative reaction so far upon that seems… weirdly outsized?
(like, WTF?)
Like-- who the heck comes here exhausted upon corporate social media, and expects a free, open-source community of devs not to tinker with the road-posts and such…?
Pardon my puzzlement here, but I’m a happy PF contributor, and love @PugJesus@piefed.social. Both the dev here and PJ are friends of a sort, and some people I will always try to support.
If you are strictly a user, and don’t moderate any communities Etc the limit isn’t too broken. It is still broken. If you moderate any number of communities. This is extremely broken and makes standard community leader/moderator behavior difficult if not often impossible. I had considered at one point migrating some of my communities over to piefed. And even if I did it likely wouldn’t bump this quota for me. But this quota certainly is a good reason for me not to move. Especially the way it was handled.
Rimu has a HUGE communication problem. And this isn’t even the first time it’s caused drama. Had this been communicated instead of discovered. It wouldn’t have been nearly the issue it’s become. Had it been communicated instead of discovered. People could have given feedback. Had there been feedback there would have likely been much less pushback. Or maybe not even the issue at all. And believe me I get it. People of the programming mindset get into cycles and logic. Forgetting that that’s not what people are. And things that might make sense on that front often don’t make sense when you’re dealing with people. Until Rimu gets some sort of communication pipeline solved. This will not be the last time changes will cause drama. Or alienation of valuable members.
That’s not a communication problem.
He nearly faced burn out. So he set his own boundary and communication pipeline so we can focus on Piefed developpement instead on dealing on fedidrama.
I also do the same, it gives us a peace of mind. I just post and move elsewhere with my french mod team because it is much more chill than on the threadiverse.
It’s literally a communication issue, and you are having another one right here. At best. I’m well aware of the drama rimu kept getting themselves into. That isn’t what were talking about. What were talking about, is a simple blog or community to post on new features and additions. And then civil discussions and feedback.
It’s your project, you all can run it as you see fit. And the rest of us are free to fork it or use something else. Something that respects the users more. I’d like to see piefed succeed. I thought you all were interested in that too. But you seem committed to not understanding why/how you’re impacting and even running off some of your most active users and their contributions. Or the problem with that.
Which one ? I did the same on my fediverse community. Then i did the mediation part with pugjesus and quokk.au, with ada and pugjesus or even rikudo…i tried to solve those issues one by one, some of these worked. Some didn’t. it drained me lot energy.
And finally, i also burned out i went mad.
So, right now, i think the best way to solve those is to move our way. Because we see very different thing, we won’t ever agree. And that’s why fork exist, it allows people to try a very different idea.
They can’t answer every request. They find a problem and try to cook up some idea to solve them. The way we solve a problem is different.
Nothing more.
Not specificaly. There is a misunderstanding, i’m not a dev.
I didn’t know about voting quota and we haven’t discussed. I’m translating the software in french and send some feature request on their codenberg. Nothing more.
I read his analysis on voting pattern and agreed with this idea. And there is also a fork where everyone can enjoy it.
Yes, otherwise i wouldn’t translate it in french, nor suggest ideas on codenberg. There is plenty magical features : multicommunity, flairs, hashtag, comment merge. Aren’t these useful ? And i’m also glad that lemmy will also support them, in a way piefed convainced them.
I believe in piefed and its fork.
honnestly, do you really think we will succed ? We won’t ever reach mastodon number. We are very very very small compared to mastodon. But some people use it and are happy. Some people use its fork Pylova and are happy too.
And the last thing that made me trust in PieFed is that Mastodon support was in its roadmap. After a long hardship for API support, (for mobile app), some fedidrama, we are finally here. Isn’t that amazing ? :3
Piefed support Mastodon. That’s where most of french fedizen are. I hope our french communities and activities will finally grow a little.
So, yes i value a lot piefed.
Don’t sell yourself short. Your translations help thousands maybe even Millions have the ability to use the software. A software is only as good as it is usable.
That said I would like to reiterate a few bullet points
Consider for a moment that rimu might be a bit like George Lucas. Lucas had a vision and was very creative. No lie. But Lucas’s Vision when it wasn’t moderated or controlled was often his biggest failing. Without someone to push back and say no. Or to ask why. Lucas got in his own way, keeping him from telling the story he wanted successfully. Thus arriving at my thesis statement. This feature is rimu’s jar jar binks. A wet stinky gungan turd.
I am not that unique or special. The way I moderate and run the communities I have. I’m sure is pretty common among many other people. Generally when someone posts I upvote. To help the visibility of the post and as thanks for contribution. When people comment on posts I generally upvote them as well again to help with visibility and to show interaction that there are people there. Reading and looking and enjoying the content. Not just lonely abandoned posts and comments sitting neglected.
With only just a couple of communities and only a small but active user base. With those habits. I could easily hit this limit regularly. That is bad. That is bad design. That will hinder the very communities most likely want to foster. And all for a feature decided on a whim that didn’t solve a problem. That I think is why people are so incensed.
A real quick addition. If rimu wanted to do the feature right
That would mean every vote by people that barely voted would carry more weight. And people that vote often and frequently can still vote as often and frequently as they like. But their votes might carry a little less weight because they give them out so freely. Had that been the setup instead of a hard cut off. People probably wouldn’t have noticed. Not that that’s necessarily a good thing. But people definitely wouldn’t have been up in arms over it.
Thank for talking your time and sharing it.
In fact piefed had a vote weight system since its beggining where admins could set up for each community how much they weigh and remove them from the all timeline.
I hope that your post reached dev team. They usually read this community.