Microsoft is losing Builders fast. They’re switching to MacOS and Linux. The biggest pull keeping people on Windows, outside of shear inertia, is content creation and gaming. However, even these are falling to Linux.
Without Builders, you don’t have software, and without software, you don’t have users. This is why Microsoft needs Windows Lite.
Microsoft needs to accept that their time has passed
Linux mint is perfect for my needs, and its pretty cool once you get used to doing stuff in terminal, although its still very user friendly for most. Microslop can suck my nuts.
If you want Windows Lite then you might as well commit to Linux.
Plenty of YouTube videos on tons of different distros for anyone to find their starter distro that’s similar to Windows.
.NET is just a runtime, not problematic at all, and definitely doesn’t deserve to be lumped in with ads, spyware, and AI.
It’s probably Microsofts best product
Probably Microsoft’s best stupidest name too, except maybe renaming the remote desktop app to “Windows App”.
I hate that rename so much, it makes it impossible to search anything about it. Another fun fact is the process name for “Windows App” is Windows365.exe 🤦
But it’s so sloooowwww
Compares to what? Electron apps or ffmpeg level of assembler?
Native?!
Native what? AoT compiled dotnet code? Bad C++ code?
I suppose bad C++ code if those are the only options?
Of course not. But saying an entire framework is bad is silly. That is my entire point. Thanks for agreeing with me.
Maybe have a look at https://michaelscodingspot.com/csharp-performance-vs-c/
no its not.
It’s only slow if you’re running a slow computer. Anyway it’s way faster than all your electron apps which each insist on taking up four for gigabytes of RAM
Yep. Plenty of games depends on it too.
We should also get rid of the Windows C++ Redistributable packages as well!
Might as well get rid of Windows after that
to little, not late. Been a avid windows user since `95, used all of them up to 11 no exception, pivoted 3 years ago to linux, and at this point there is literally not a thing that will bring me back. Linux is 1000x better for me, free of charge, more polished, faster, better looking, no BS, and if there IS any bs, i can move to another distro that i like. There is literally not a single thing. Those kernel level anti cheat games… fuck em, i got 1000’s of games to play that work on steam and gog and uplay and battle.net and all other platforms flawlessly no problem and been waiting to play em.
Microsoft is not going to remove .NET to attract software developers when they want developers to use .NET. Not having access to software that uses .NET probably wouldn’t be a good trade off for how little removing it from Windows would do to make Windows lighter.
.NET is arguably one of the better things to come out of Microsoft. The CLR only runs when a .NET application is running so it’s not bloat, and it’s pretty lightweight as far as a VM goes with JIT. It’s well documented, has public standards, is cross platform, and released under MIT.
I’m a Unix/Linux greybeard so I’ve no real skin in the game. But given how C# has become the defacto cross platform game development language of choice for both Godot and Unity engines, .NET deserves a little credit.
C#/.NET is easily the best thing Microsoft makes.
I realize the bar is pretty low.
Don’t forget about excel.
Its so nice C# can run in Linux :).
At work, we joke that MS will eventually get tired of the OS game and just throw Windows tools on top of Linux and call it. Then just become a SaaS provider for everything else. Not WSL like legit linux kernel with Windows.
There are also lots of games that use .NET.
To quote Steve Ballmer; “DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS […] DEVELOPERS. YES!”.
The author of the blog is living in dreamland. Microsoft will never release Windows Lite because, to management, Windows is a conduit for AI and subscriptions.
Linux is the answer.
Realistically, who would even buy Windows Lite? What advantage would it have over regular Windows AND Linux systems?
A Windows that could run Office and Adobe software for work without giving the user brain damage? Sounds like a nice idea, maybe could even compete with Mac.
I might buy it to play one of the few games I have that just can’t run on Linux
No .NET 😂 what’s still running after that?
Microsoft needs to die.
I remember saying that in the early 2000s…
Windows losing noticeable numbers of users is a huge net gain for society. Hopefully it continues, regardless of Microslop’s actions.
the fact that you list .net shows you dont have the knowledge to make this claim
10 years ago I would have said maybe. Now? Practicly everything that you run on Windows will run, in some form or another, on Linux. Even the hard to crack gaming is now becoming a non issue. There really is no point in Windows any longer.
I had no idea how easy gaming had got since my last attempt with Linux. That was until the most recent Microsoft bugs erased all my files… I was so enraged I didn’t even try to recover them, I just installed linux mint. Found out I could indeed play the couple games I’ve been holding on to windows for. Haven’t booted windows since.
Microsoft is now offering Azure Linux.
well, linus won. He said when they’d write software for linux, he won. I guess he quadruple won, since microslop has their own distro
Microsoft is losing Builders fast.
Good.
This is why Microsoft needs Windows Lite.
No, Windows needs to lose more users. Hope they never change.
What’s wrong with .NET?
Nothing, bias from the .NET Framework days probably
I don’t really know what it is, but I do know that a whole bunch of stuff doesn’t work if you don’t have it installed. That and Java.
It’s just a framework for some code (usually that written in C#) to run on. It’s not a windows only thing either. Just that on Linux if it’s required it’ll just get installed via the package manager, so you won’t see the usual GUI installer that is often packaged with some games (even though you might already have it installed).
It used to be VB.net and other such stuff. It WAS pretty terrible. Ive had to pick apart some pretty horrendous applications. Then Mono/C# popped up and a lot of community effort went into making everything better. It helps that .net stole a LOT of functionality from Rails/Django/etc… and make it much easier for devs to do actual work on it.
The problem is when we talk about .net it could be a huge combo of tech from the last 10+ years. The newest iteration is fine. Its fast at least with C#.
Everything from .NET Core onwards has been a blast to work with in my opinion. And it got even better when .NET 8 came out and I’ve genuinely been excited for every major release since.
So a Microsoft product got good after it became open source?
Yep, it’s arguably the best thing they’ve done and still currently do I’m actually surprised the core .NET team haven’t been corrupted yet. I always find it funny that all of the bigger guys that show off the new features and improvements in their preview showcases never use windows.
Sadly the Visual Studio and VS Code team seem to have been corrupted though because 95% of all new features for those always seem to be centered around AI. I use Rider personally now, and Im looking forward to eventually moving over to that for work at some point too.
I personally like C# and NOT .net…but im a weirdo.
I’m curious, how do you go about using C# without .NET?
You need to abandon windows. You know their goals. You know they can’t be trusted. Stop giving them chances to get it right and fuck you.
