• ranzispa@mander.xyz
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    Why do you think cannabis was outlawed to target the black and the leftists? I’m missing a point in your reasoning

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      because cannabis was mostly consumed by groups that the political mainstream didn’t like. for example, it is still the case today that cannabis is mostly being consumed by people who lean left politically.

      e.g. https://news.gallup.com/poll/405086/marijuana-views-linked-ideology-religiosity-age.aspx

      • 68% of U.S. adults favor legalizing marijuana, tied for record high
      • Liberal, younger, less religious are most supportive
      • Only 32% of conservatives aged 65 and older are in favor

      also, around 1969 when a lot of people took drugs (LSD etc) on hippie festivals (woodstock), these people overwhelmingly had anti-war, anti-capitalist, hippie views etc. so there’s a clear link between drug usage and political views.

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        Today cannabis is mostly consumed by people who voted left, thus 90 years ago it was made illegal to damage people who vote left; the prohibition was passed by the left.

        Sorry, I’ll try to follow you, but this makes no sense. The fact that people vote left smoke marijuana is not influential in explaining why it was banned. There may be a relationship there but just this fact proves nothing.

        I might as well say that marijuana was banned to harm the farmers population since farmers are the ones who mostly grow marijuana.

        because cannabis was mostly consumed by groups that the political mainstream didn’t like

        Could be, but I don’t think marijuana back then was so widespread as it became with the Hippie movement.

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          my understanding is that cannabis is far less damaging to the health than nicotine cigarettes. yet nicotine cigarettes stayed legal while cannabis was declared illegal. the logical conclusion is that the health concerns were not the determining factor. therefore, it was obviously about other things, such as cultural perception, commercial lobbying, political ideology.

          by the way, tobacco (nicotine) was one of the first cash crops that were exported from the US to europe when america was first settled by european settlers, which gave money to america and made the migration much more attractive to many people. that’s why there is a cultural fond memory of tobacco, because it funded settling america back then (among other factors) (source: read it a while ago on wikipedia).

          then there’s the strong tobacco lobbying group. turns out that there’s a lot of money to be earned with cigarettes and the lobbying group for tobacco is strong. that’s another reason why it wasn’t banned.

          then there is this whole issue that a whole lot of drugs are primarily taken by marginalized groups. why? these groups already have a difficult life, drugs often help with pain relief -> higher drug usage in the black population. combine this with the “forced labor is illegal except as a punishment for crime” thing and suddenly you get a rural south that wants to find any pretense to criminalize black people. and guess what, drugs are a convenient way to do that.

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            22 hours ago

            I agree with what you say here, but nothing points out why marijuana was banned. I do not know why it was banned. But these are assumptions standing on thin air.

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      Sorry to hear that. There isn’t a singular point, because it’s a complex subject. Wish I had the time or patience to explain, but I would implore you to just try learning more. You won’t have your hand held through everything, but you now have an idea of where to start, if you truly give a shit. Best of luck friend, I’m excited for you

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        I’m afraid you misunderstand. I really don’t see why you’d sustain such an idea. I’m not saying this is necessarily false, but to say something like that it helps to explain why you feel that way. You are treating this as common knowledge, this makes me think you do not thoroughly know about this subject and are just expressing an unsubstantiated opinion as a fact.

        I guess you’re talking about the US. Marijuana was made illegal in 1937. Roosevelt was president, I doubt the democrats prohibited it to harm the leftists.

        Regarding the black, I really don’t see the connection.

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          Idk why you’re bringing up US politics, as if that somehow exists outside of the rest of the world. I specifically didn’t treat anything as common knowledge, and instead tried to encourage learning (any at all)

          expressing an unsubstantiated opinion as a fact

          Ironic

          Regarding the black

          Wow. Again, best of luck friend

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            I assumed the person I was talking with is from the US, since he writes about black and leftists.

            Where I live black people do have problems, most of them are related to being migrants. I would not say that marijuana being illegal has a strong influence on their life or that it would be a big problem for them. If anything, it provides a job in the black market which may be needed if they’re not allowed to work.

            I realize now that you’re another person rather than the one I first replied to. I don’t get the point of your message now. You basically replied that he is right and that I should read but you have no time to explain anything. That is not a very useful reply.