It’s really interesting. The rhetoric of liberalism is like 80-90% just leftism. Freedom, democracy, equality, justice, treating people kindly, etc. They straight up teach it to you in schools. The seeds are there. The problem is that it lacks class analysis and hides or twists the ways in which liberalism doesn’t actually do any of that stuff. So people end up believing that the countries which actively stand in the way of these principles are actually the ones upholding them. It takes a lot of evidence to show people that the bad things we’ve done aren’t just isolated incidents, but part of a pattern that naturally arises from the system.
How are the goals aligned if you’re willing to glaze war criminals?
Liberals are objectively maga-lite unlike the way you’re trying to frame it. They were very well cheering for genocide-lite so they could keep their status quo.
Liberals have made it abundantly clear they are more close to the right than the center.
Liberalism isn’t left-wing. Well, maybe a little anti-king, but not enough to actually depose of them, so practically a little right-wing as well.
It’s not comparable to Communism/Socialism/AnachoCommunism/etc, which is (IMO) “proper” left-wing.
I’m a left-winger in so far that I want to get rid of our king. Kings come from Christendom, and Christianity is cringe. I’m a Tribalist “Descendants Republican” (for a lack of a better term), not a Communist, mind you. I want parents in the “2e kamer”, and grand-parents in the “1e kamer”. No more singles that don’t need to look ahead 50 years. Also a limit on age: 70 should be fine, I think?
This leftist versus liberal shit really needs to stop. I’m starting to think that it’s intentional propaganda to try to keep the left divided.
Liberals aren’t on the left. The left and liberals have always been divided because we have completely different, irreconciliable goals
Suck as fucking sharks?
Except liberals supporting capitalism and imperialism aren’t worth working with outside of single issue campaigns temporarily.
I mean, i am willing to work with libs as long as our goals are aligned. But if they glaze a war criminal I will call them out
Our goals are aligned. The only difference as far as I can tell is that some leftists think they are part of a special club and act a lot like magats.
and liberals want capitalism and imperialism to continue so no not aligned.
Some liberals are just misinformed leftists who could be turned with education. Some are just right wingers who are embarrassed by open right wingers.
We can work with the former, not so much the latter.
The problem is it takes a while to figure out which is which.
This,
most liberals are just hatchling leftists
It’s really interesting. The rhetoric of liberalism is like 80-90% just leftism. Freedom, democracy, equality, justice, treating people kindly, etc. They straight up teach it to you in schools. The seeds are there. The problem is that it lacks class analysis and hides or twists the ways in which liberalism doesn’t actually do any of that stuff. So people end up believing that the countries which actively stand in the way of these principles are actually the ones upholding them. It takes a lot of evidence to show people that the bad things we’ve done aren’t just isolated incidents, but part of a pattern that naturally arises from the system.
The problem is not taking the time to figure it out is letting conservatives win.
100% agree. It’s still something we need to at least try, it’s just hard and understandable why it can frustrate people.
How are the goals aligned if you’re willing to glaze war criminals?
Liberals are objectively maga-lite unlike the way you’re trying to frame it. They were very well cheering for genocide-lite so they could keep their status quo.
Liberals have made it abundantly clear they are more close to the right than the center.
The vanguard has always been thus.
You have the problem with them. Let it go.
Liberalism isn’t left-wing. Well, maybe a little anti-king, but not enough to actually depose of them, so practically a little right-wing as well.
It’s not comparable to Communism/Socialism/AnachoCommunism/etc, which is (IMO) “proper” left-wing.
I’m a left-winger in so far that I want to get rid of our king. Kings come from Christendom, and Christianity is cringe. I’m a
Tribalist“Descendants Republican” (for a lack of a better term), not a Communist, mind you. I want parents in the “2e kamer”, and grand-parents in the “1e kamer”. No more singles that don’t need to look ahead 50 years. Also a limit on age: 70 should be fine, I think?Its not propaganda. It’s 300 years of human history. 300 years of liberals murdering leftits.
Could you drop a few examples?
Of liberals murdering leftists? How far back do you want me to go? Gracchus Babeuf? Adolphe Thiers? 1846? How about the school of the Americas?
lets say 300 years or so
Yes.