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    Some prospective migrants complain about high immigration in their own countries or what they see as declining living standards, he says.

    Pot calling the kettle black.

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      Russians are no stupider, on average, than anyone else. They just have shittier luck regarding the system they’ve been born into.

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    Obvious aside, who thinks moving to a country where you can’t speak to anyone would get them in touch their culture? How would you know what the culture was osmosis?

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    At the time, he believed Russia offered an attractive alternative: a society built on Christian faith and family values

    As the bible says: Give birth to as many children as possible, so that your corrupt leader can send them to war.

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        With that claim, I want to know the exact wording. Not because I don’t believe you, but because it’s a great meme!

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          It’s pretty much the foundation of the quiverfull movement. They literally use the imagery of an archer having a quiver full of arrows. Kids, in this case, being “arrows of faith”.

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          I’m not entirely sure in the war part, the bible does make it pretty clear the Abrahamic people are totes the best people, so I’m sure it’s in there. But there is a whole lot of breed like rabbits in there. It’s why Islamic and conservative/traditional christians make having babies a core part of their values.

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      As the bible says: Give birth to as many children as possible, so that your corrupt leader can send them to war.

      As Putin himself says.

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    This article inspired me to check and Teddy Boy Greg (the disgruntled white power barber with a ton of ridiculous facial tattoos who moved to Russia to get away from what he called “degenerates”) has recently died in Ukraine

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      you got a source for that? I’ve been lookin’ but I can’t find any news about him less than 2 years old.

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        On his Instagram fanpage in the comments people were posting RIP and some dude was gloating saying he died at Potrovsk in March according to some Telegram or something that popped up when I searched him up but not like an journalist’s article or anything that credible. I took it at face value but I guess it could be trolling albeit one really easy to contest

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      White supremacist died fighting Russia’s war against… checks notes… alleged neo-Nazis? Dude wasn’t blessed with an overabundance of critical thinking.

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        checks notes… alleged neo-Nazis

        Allow me to present this handy guide:

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        One of the interesting things about their propaganda style (which unfortunately is spreading elsewhere…) is that they will spin up entirely different conflicting narratives and even have people arguing between them on their platforms. This is because if they stick to just one kind of narrative, it can only find purchase with the particular sort of audience it’s geared to and will probably fail elsewhere. But if they spin up a ton of different narratives from various mouthpieces geared to many different audiences and blast them unceasingly, then there are still plenty of other hooks to potentially catch a listener even if some are definitely flubs. And if there’s mass confusion in what you actually stand for with all sorts of contradictory statements constantly in the churn of being advanced or withdrawn and defended or blasted, then past a certain point people just kind of give up in the face of the background noise and believe whatever they want rather than if everyone were more closely keeping track of the same smaller and simpler narrative. Part of the reason why they have numerous controlled opposition parties.

        So to people who hate nazis they indeed target a constant barrage of “WE ARE FIGHTING UKRONAZIS” content as justification. This guy however was part of a different stream pulled in by the presentation of Russia as a stern conservative defender of traditional values against the wokeness of the decadent west.

        The barbershop pole on his nose got me every time lmao

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          Plenty of white nationalists among the domestic elite. It’s practically a prerequisite to join certain social clubs and fraternities.

          But white supremacy isn’t just a belief, it’s a goal. Plenty of very smart, savvy, and committed individuals are working overtime to jam their collective boots on our necks.

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            Yep. Education can shield you from being indoctrinated into white supremacy by cheap propaganda, but if you’re just an asshole that loves oppression, you’ll find your way there anyway.

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    Russia is the perfect country for the MAGA fucknuts. I’m surprised Ben is not serving as canon fodder on the front. 224 idiot Germans moved to Russia, WTF! Stay there and do not return.

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    Ilja Belobragin, general managing partner at Move To Russia, a company which helps foreigners relocate to Russia, says something he frequently hears from his clients is that they “don’t recognise the community around me anymore”.

    Some prospective migrants complain about high immigration in their own countries or what they see as declining living standards, he says.

    Let’s break this down: The people say they “don’t recognise the community around [them] anymore” because of “high immigration”, so they decide to become an immigrant surrounded by people of a different nationality than them.

    As I see it, this is for one specific reason only: I don’t believe it’s the different cultural values from immigration that bothers them (they are literally moving into a wholly foreign culture; although I’m sure the Orthodox church gives some perverse appeal), but I believe they are bothered by ethnicity/skin colour. I believe these people are racists more than they are xenophobes.

    I believe, for these people, Russia is a better alternative only because they have a certain perception of white-skinned Russians. I don’t think these people are aware of places like Tuva, or Yakutia, or Chechnya - and I don’t think they would ever visit those places. To say their quiet part out loud, I think these “conservatives” are just people who are white supremacists, moving because it’s a “white country” in their eyes, and thinking all white people have some shared essence. This is how they can justify to themselves being a foreigner in a foreign land. How else could they justify it to themselves?

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        Russia’s been running a massive propaganda campaign in Europe and the US for more than a decade. Including slandering the LGBT and trying to associate them with illegal activities, promoting Christian orthodoxy over atheism, depicting Europe as degenerate and failing, demonizing immigrants and trying to frame them as criminals etc.

        The people who move to Russia thinking they are upgrading their lives are few according to this article, but I’m still surprised by how these people completely ignored how authoritarian and destitute that country is. Germans moving to Russia thinking it’s the better place to be is a huge propaganda victory for the latter.

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        Someone who is homophobic has two choices:

        1. Leave behind everything you own and know to go live as an immigrant in a foreign country where you don’t speak the language or understand the customs.
        2. Don’t have gay sex.

        Gay sex must be really good.

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          A lot of these people have kids they take with them and usually they claim stuff like the government is teaching gay sex in schools.

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          We’ll have none of that gay stuff in my house.

          Now, where should I hang my framed copy of this?

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            The quality is so bad that I don’t have to downvote this horrible picture.

            …um, does that horse really wear a black wig? Or has its own mane been colored (the tone looks unnatural somehow) and combed forward?

            Cheesus I already spent to much time with & thought on this pic. Dang.

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      As I see it, this is for one specific reason only: I don’t believe it’s the different cultural values from immigration that bothers them (they are literally moving into a wholly foreign culture; although I’m sure the Orthodox church gives some perverse appeal), but I believe they are bothered by ethnicity/skin colour.

      So, because you don’t believe it, it cannot be true? Resembles the same small world view which Nazis have - sorry, I need to add to be in line with your words: I believe.

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      they “don’t recognise the community around me anymore”.

      I think that’s a narrative implanted in their brains by conservatives: too many brownskinned people, danger danger danger.
      Just like Russia deliberately creates the narrative that they offer an alternative, conveniently ignoring the multicultural nature of Russia - and the obvious conflict of becoming an immigrant yourself.

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      That Leo guy is especially dumb. It felt good to read the end of his story. Scammed of money, devorced, and alone.

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        He moved there for the government, found it’s corrupt, and was saved by the generosity of the people

        It’s a near universal truth that people, in general, are kind and generous. Government’s less so. This idior spent his life savings learning that lesson, but he still hasn’t fully grasped it

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        That dude literally walked through life like a rube on the boardwalk holding a balloon and wearing a propeller beanie. Easiest mark in the world.

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    1. Not really very different to the promises of great new lives made to people joining ISIS
    2. Oh the irony of becoming a migrant elsewhere whilst complaining about migrants at home.
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      Nonono, he is not an immigrant, he is an expat. HUGE difference! Just ask the British pensioners in Spain and southern France!

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        A lot of the Brits in Spain have been leaving because the Spanish have cracked down on tax-dodging, and because Brits lost their freedom of movement in the EU when they voted for Brexit. And the expats are whining like mad about it.

        Meanwhile, I know some people who’ve moved to Spain and Portugal, learned the language, assimilated and gotten the passport, instead of living in a soulless monolingual enclave, quaffing Spanish champagne, creeping on their neighbors’ wives and cultivating their melanoma like the Costa del Sol bunch.

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        Ah yes, I know a few of those including a family we grew up with. After moving to Cyprus they became quite the voice about how terribly it was going in the UK. Piss heads

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      Some prospective migrants complain about high immigration in their own countries or what they see as declining living standards, he says.

      Utter hypocrisy

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    Leo is a devout Christian who had become increasingly disillusioned with…the rise of the LGBTQ movement.

    Although he is committed to staying in Russia out of a sense of “destiny”, he now says he misses the freedoms that have shaped the American personality.

    “[In] Russia you don’t have these human rights values.”

    I mean…

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      I hate gays more than I love human rights

      hope the guy gets sent to the front and barely survives just so he can share his message with all the other idiots.

      bet he’ll see dudes blowing dudes for socks or boots on the front lines.

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        I hate gays more than not being homeless.

        Imagine hating a group of people SO much you’d rather be homeless in Russia of all god damn places.

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      In some unmentioned corners of lemmy, they’d tell you without a hint of irony, that this is Western Propaganda and Russians are enjoying much more freedom than people in lets say Germany, where oppression has reached unheard of levels. …

      or something like that.

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        Well, I know a person from Canada that had an opinion that Russia is a great place to do business in, because you can do whatever you want if you pay the right people. That was a long time ago, don’t know if any later events changed his mind

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          Good news, the West is moving towards that as well. The US is already pretty much there, Putin’s allies on the populist right (but also some on the populist left) aim for the same.

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      these human rights values

      LOL, that’s just FAFO with a chef’s kiss. Kudos for honesty though. I hope he becomes reformed and much more skeptical of bullshit narratives; although the article does not read like it. More like he’s comfortable with a 50/50 divide in his mind. Christianity, I guess.