While I hate Trump, the moron who worship him are the only reason Theil and Vought’s evil plans are being implemented. Vance doesn’t have Trump’s kind of charisma that works on morons, or the stubborn man-child force of will to make things happen.
MAGA will fall apart without their glorious leader at the helm and the bucket of snakes will start to eat itself. The chaos will still do a lot of damage, but not as organized because they don’t have anyone to fall in line behind.
His base might fall apart. The people who voted for him. But those in power stay in power. Vought is the lynchpin on P25. Miller. Vance. Rubio. The oligarch assholes. They’ll live on.
The entire right-wing is an unstable house of cards that started being built in the Nixon Administration. (Literally, the Fox News President was Nixon’s media guy)
The only thing holding that Narcissism Coalition together is Donald Trump’s necromancer.
When Trump finally shuffles off to hell, the right will splinter into 3-5 factions.
None of those factions will develop a majority among the right because the only thing they have in common is Trump’s celebratory bigotry and ability to lie without microexpressions setting off their internal alarms.
EX: JD Vance and Stephen Miller and Mike Johnson are all Nazi trash but they are also three very different faces of the same evil. You won’t see them at the same cookout unless it’s some kind of bigoted work event.
This is wishful thinking. Conservatives rallied around whoever their guy was at all times before Trump, just like they rally around Trump, and just like they’ll do with someone else once Trump is out of the picture.
I have family members who just stay loyal to republicans. It’s bizarre, but it exists. Ranting about balancing the budget for years only to stand behind this admin denying anything negative, never mind the present budget.
There is a centered, loyal, toe the line no matter what or who base out there.
I can’t see many historical examples of fascism or any kind of dictatorship that ended well for its population. There can be a lot of infighting when different factions try to grab the power, but it doesn’t often end with regime change.
My brother in space jesus, them idiots aren’t going anywhere, they’ve been around for a long time already and they always just morph into a new form like a fucking hydra when the time comes, it’s not like they’re hard to manipulate, and the propaganda grip is total.
The base would crumble af the edges but there will always be the people who steadfastly follow whomever so long as they have an R. “Well, it’s better than…”
I think his death will be good for 3/4 of the world and really bad for Americans.
Like look how buddy buddy Trump was with Mamdani. Trump is susceptible to flattery and manipulation and Mamdani must have played him like a flute. So kissing the ring won’t work post trump.
The Post Trump admin also wont be distracted by constantly having to jockey for his approval. Granted a new leader will probably engage in similar humiliation rituals and crony politics.
But basically with Trump butthole gone his ass kissers can focus on their work of enacting christo-fascism.
I’m sure it’s somewhere between same and worse. The point is, things will not magically improve. That’s not how this works. The only reason this term is different than his last one is the machinery of shitty, motivated, power hungry people behind him and they don’t go away when he dies.
Pretty much. The bad parts will become more predictable.
he machinery of shitty, motivated, power hungry people behind him
Its so weird to think about what might have been had they not had 4 years to write P2025. Would they have rigged the 2024? (Did they??) Plus there’s the whole, pandemic playing out differently.
As much fun as it will be to see the look on MAGA faces while the whole world irreverently celebrates… Trump is a symptom not a cause.
And…how is any of that good for the rest of the world? Thats like saying “hitler is in charge for now, but he’s a big softie. Once he goes the REAL nazis take over!”
I just fail to see how your vision of post trump death is good for the world if thats when the unregulated chaos begins.
First off I did acknowledge that his death would be categorically bad for 1/4 of earth. Palestine, Taiwan, Ukraine, and others will probably get even worse treatment.
Second my comment is specifically responding to the, “His death won’t change much of anything.” So hopefully with that context you can see where I’m coming from here.
I just fail to see how your vision of post trump death is good for the world if thats when the unregulated chaos begins.
That’s because I see Trump as the source chaos. His death won’t be the end of MAGA-USA but it will make dealing with the US more predictable for other countries.
Also Trump is using his position to support other dictators. Maybe Russians would have overthrown Putin by now. Who know?
But yea when I say “good”… I mean better than something worse. Not categorically positive.
Would cause the dominoes starting to fall though. Trump is the only person who keeps that whole baggage together for some weird reason. Him going from the picture will lead to the christofascists and technofascists going after each other’s throats.
They’d go full Weekend at Epstein’s and try to keep his corpse moving around till at least the midterms to figure out if his base can still be used with a changing message or if they need to make another tea party for 2028.
Also Vance probably believes he can win the GOP nomination and be the 2028 elect, if Trump dies before the midterms Vance can only run in 2028. If Trump ‘dies’ in 2027, Vance could run in 2028 and 2032
It’s the people behind the scenes that need purging. I wonder if any democrats at all know what damage is being done by these people and if they have a plan to fix it?
Demolition is easy. Building is much more complex and time consuming. Even a full 4 yr term with both houses and the presidency wouldn’t rebuild it. For starters, the Democratic Party doesn’t know how to build only how to maintain the status quo.
Unless we vote in a couple hundred Mamdani’s, not happening.
Looking at the trend towards socialistic democracy in 18-29 yr olds combined with the ages ppl usually start running for office, I’d say give it 10-25 yrs to show up. Not too bad as far as sweeping changes go I think
His death won’t change much of anything. Vought is running things. Remember. Vought is the P2025 guy. And then there’s Vance, financed by Thiel.
The only difference is they won’t be hiding behind Trumps girth any more.
While I hate Trump, the moron who worship him are the only reason Theil and Vought’s evil plans are being implemented. Vance doesn’t have Trump’s kind of charisma that works on morons, or the stubborn man-child force of will to make things happen.
MAGA will fall apart without their glorious leader at the helm and the bucket of snakes will start to eat itself. The chaos will still do a lot of damage, but not as organized because they don’t have anyone to fall in line behind.
His base might fall apart. The people who voted for him. But those in power stay in power. Vought is the lynchpin on P25. Miller. Vance. Rubio. The oligarch assholes. They’ll live on.
Might?
The entire right-wing is an unstable house of cards that started being built in the Nixon Administration. (Literally, the Fox News President was Nixon’s media guy)
The only thing holding that Narcissism Coalition together is Donald Trump’s necromancer.
When Trump finally shuffles off to hell, the right will splinter into 3-5 factions.
None of those factions will develop a majority among the right because the only thing they have in common is Trump’s celebratory bigotry and ability to lie without microexpressions setting off their internal alarms.
EX: JD Vance and Stephen Miller and Mike Johnson are all Nazi trash but they are also three very different faces of the same evil. You won’t see them at the same cookout unless it’s some kind of bigoted work event.
This is wishful thinking. Conservatives rallied around whoever their guy was at all times before Trump, just like they rally around Trump, and just like they’ll do with someone else once Trump is out of the picture.
Yeah, they’ll attach themselves to whomever they think the biggest bully is.
I have family members who just stay loyal to republicans. It’s bizarre, but it exists. Ranting about balancing the budget for years only to stand behind this admin denying anything negative, never mind the present budget.
There is a centered, loyal, toe the line no matter what or who base out there.
is it really an unstable house of cards if it’s only gotten stronger and moved things further to the right consistently over 50+ years?
Yes. Fascism consumes itself as it bellows.
The last 50 years was the slow build-up, the frog in the pot.
I can’t see many historical examples of fascism or any kind of dictatorship that ended well for its population. There can be a lot of infighting when different factions try to grab the power, but it doesn’t often end with regime change.
Well, a good indication that they end in regime change is that you had to dig through history to find the examples.
Go ahead and take all the time you need on how that works.
Epstein’s buddybud Bill Barr was in the Bush administration. That’s Bush SENIOR.
Every new government is just a drink shaker of old names coming and going for decades.
My brother in space jesus, them idiots aren’t going anywhere, they’ve been around for a long time already and they always just morph into a new form like a fucking hydra when the time comes, it’s not like they’re hard to manipulate, and the propaganda grip is total.
They might bitch and moan about their candidate, but election day they show up and they vote R like clockwork.
His death wouldn’t solve most issues, but it certainly would solve one of them.
The base would crumble af the edges but there will always be the people who steadfastly follow whomever so long as they have an R. “Well, it’s better than…”
I keep having to remind myself: Russ Vought, not Homelander
I think his death will be good for 3/4 of the world and really bad for Americans.
Like look how buddy buddy Trump was with Mamdani. Trump is susceptible to flattery and manipulation and Mamdani must have played him like a flute. So kissing the ring won’t work post trump.
The Post Trump admin also wont be distracted by constantly having to jockey for his approval. Granted a new leader will probably engage in similar humiliation rituals and crony politics.
But basically with Trump butthole gone his ass kissers can focus on their work of enacting christo-fascism.
I’m sure it’s somewhere between same and worse. The point is, things will not magically improve. That’s not how this works. The only reason this term is different than his last one is the machinery of shitty, motivated, power hungry people behind him and they don’t go away when he dies.
Pretty much. The bad parts will become more predictable.
Its so weird to think about what might have been had they not had 4 years to write P2025. Would they have rigged the 2024? (Did they??) Plus there’s the whole, pandemic playing out differently.
As much fun as it will be to see the look on MAGA faces while the whole world irreverently celebrates… Trump is a symptom not a cause.
And…how is any of that good for the rest of the world? Thats like saying “hitler is in charge for now, but he’s a big softie. Once he goes the REAL nazis take over!”
I just fail to see how your vision of post trump death is good for the world if thats when the unregulated chaos begins.
First off I did acknowledge that his death would be categorically bad for 1/4 of earth. Palestine, Taiwan, Ukraine, and others will probably get even worse treatment.
Second my comment is specifically responding to the, “His death won’t change much of anything.” So hopefully with that context you can see where I’m coming from here.
That’s because I see Trump as the source chaos. His death won’t be the end of MAGA-USA but it will make dealing with the US more predictable for other countries.
Also Trump is using his position to support other dictators. Maybe Russians would have overthrown Putin by now. Who know?
But yea when I say “good”… I mean better than something worse. Not categorically positive.
Would cause the dominoes starting to fall though. Trump is the only person who keeps that whole baggage together for some weird reason. Him going from the picture will lead to the christofascists and technofascists going after each other’s throats.
They’d go full Weekend at Epstein’s and try to keep his corpse moving around till at least the midterms to figure out if his base can still be used with a changing message or if they need to make another tea party for 2028.
Also Vance probably believes he can win the GOP nomination and be the 2028 elect, if Trump dies before the midterms Vance can only run in 2028. If Trump ‘dies’ in 2027, Vance could run in 2028 and 2032
A bad person in power dying is not nothing. If your point is that the overall trajectory won’t automatically reverse, fine. Say that instead.
It’s the people behind the scenes that need purging. I wonder if any democrats at all know what damage is being done by these people and if they have a plan to fix it?
Demolition is easy. Building is much more complex and time consuming. Even a full 4 yr term with both houses and the presidency wouldn’t rebuild it. For starters, the Democratic Party doesn’t know how to build only how to maintain the status quo.
Unless we vote in a couple hundred Mamdani’s, not happening.
Looking at the trend towards socialistic democracy in 18-29 yr olds combined with the ages ppl usually start running for office, I’d say give it 10-25 yrs to show up. Not too bad as far as sweeping changes go I think