Postmaster General David Steiner told a Senate committee Wednesday that, if a proposed rule is adopted, the U.S. Postal Service would withhold mail ballots from states that do not hand over to the federal government lists of people who have requested absentee or mail ballots.

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    Cut the fucking USPS off the loop and put a voting system in place over the internet. We’re a quarter century into the 21st ferchrissake…

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      No. Honestly we should be going far as possible from computers so that tech bros can’t rig the vote as easily. Paper ballots. With humans counting them. Sucks, but safer for democracy

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        I agree. But when the low-tech paper system is compromised, you need to move to something else everybody has. And in this day and age, that’s a cellphone with an internet connection.

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          There is literally no known method of securing something as important as an election over the internet. So many attack vectors and has the ability to manipulate massive amounts of votes. Paper is the proper way to run an election and will be for the forseeable future.

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            Paper is the proper way to run an election and will be for the forseeable future.

            Not when the dude in charge of delivering the paper works for a fascist regime it isn’t, is my point.

            I never said voting over the internet was a good option, I said it was the next least bad option when the snail mail service is compromised.

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          I agree. But when the low-tech paper system is compromised, you need to move to something else everybody has. And in this day and age, that’s a cellphone with an internet connection.

          This is an exceedingly bad idea.

          That would drastically increase the attack surface for voter fraud. I can just see the Russian Malware now that shows you on your cell phone screen that your votes were cast for your candidates while the malware voted for its candidates instead. You’d never even know your vote was stolen.

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            Election fraud. Not “voter” fraud. The former is when politicians/bureaucrats rig the system to cheat, whereas the latter is overwhelmingly a fictional boogeyman invented to spread FUD and/or misdirect attention away from the former.

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          Yes, and I feel totally safe with that because nobody has figured out how to steal all the money from your phone-wallet just by walking by you with an NFC scanner, or figured out how to run viruses on your phone just by texting you an image, or figured out how to intercept and manipulate traffic from your phone, or figured out how to… I think you get the point. Anything electronic is easily manipulated.

          If the low tech paper system is compromised, then the high tech system is even more easily compromised.

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      that would likely be run by the executive. I do think congress should move many departments to be under congress with it being clear the president is just a day to day manage. much like the ceo and board of directors thing.