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Welcome to the world of scientific publishing, long before AI. Except authors even have to pay for creating “content”, and reviewers are expected to work for free. Yet article access is sold at astronomical prices.
Hey, remember that time Aaron Swartz used public APIs and perfectly legal aggregation of information to compile scientific journals in a data set outside the paywall. And he was arrested, prosecuted, and threatened with life in prison until he (allegedly) killed himself?
Then his original and highly lucrative pet project, Reddit, was mutated into a propaganda factory by the Epstein Class, cannibalized by the Investor Class, and gutted for AI slop by the Tech Sector?
At least, academic papers give credits to the author… Or to the author’s boss
I don’t even know why they charge such high prices.
I don’t work in academia but I am curious about thing and look up papers all the time.
I have never bought a single one at those ridiculous prices. But if they were reasonable like $1-$3 or something I probably would have an di imagine a lot of people would have.
You make more if 100 people buy a $1 item than 3 people buying a $30 item and the world benefits more.
Because they can. It really is just a cartell. Especially institutions pay a fortune for bundled access.
Once you understand that AI is limited to the questioner’s ability to properly elucidate what they need to know you’ll have several more botched concrete stair resurfacings.
Thanks Gemini, you self-contradicting potato
Gemini: “yes, an important distinction - you have made the critical observation that I am useless!”
“- Or not, I am not a lawyer, what do I know.”
~(This answer was generated by 10000 liters of fresh water and the energy equivalent of a quarter nuclear power plant)~
20 years? More like somewhere between 30 to 40 if we count early WWW and the Gopher+Usenet that came before it. The GPL isn’t quite that old, but the spirit behind it sure is. If we count early home-computer clubs back in the 70’s (like the one that birthed the original Apple) or the ham-radio crowd that came before it, we can push into 50+ year territory, easy.
I hadn’t considered AI being a paywall around the whole WWW but now that you mention it, it kind of looks that way. I’ve opined elsewhere that social media companies (e.g. Facebook) are building walled-gardens to keep eyeballs and attention-spans locked on their brand of reality. This would just be another avenue of attack in that strategy.
I remember frequenting MOOs and IRC, and downloading guitar tabs and chords off OLGA using clients in DOS back in the early 90s. Over 30 years ago. The Internet today is unrecognizable by comparison.
They are also trying to take away these free resources by pushing laws to make ID identification mandatory to make money off of us.
Justice is not only about what is fair, but also about the fear people have of suffering consequences, aka: Pain. Being in jail is painful. It’s a tiny room with no hygiene, cockroaches, the toilet is right there in the same room, isolation, unlikable neighbors, years or decades without Internet, a TV or PC…
The biggest lie the Jeffrey Epstein Class managed to pull off was to convince everyone that causing pain is an “absolute” wrong. It is not. Pain is what forces us to reflect and grow the fuck up to avoid committing the same mistakes. Those fuckers didn’t have enough pain in their lives, because they lived it on Easy Mode. They were surrounded by yes-men and serfs constantly glazing them and laughing at their bad jokes. Now we are here.
We don’t do shit to them because we are afraid of the pain the bodyguards, the cops or the law will lay upon us. But it should not be that way. They should be afraid of the people. Right now, they are laughing at us, doing heinous shit on purpose just to test our limit, and in the worst case scenario, normalize it. Young kids are already memeing Epstein, almost treating it like it’s no big deal or just a joke, I seriously hope they don’t carry that attitude forever, and realize that people like Epstein deserve to have their head opened to the truth as soon as you see them. Their bodyguards, I’d say are the worst people of all. The army, cops, bodyguards; they are people who openly and proudly decided to give their lives for a dude who rapes children and is not paying people what they’re truly worth, a livable wage.
Nothing will get better until the rich fear for their lives.
They only know how to punish. Fear is not enough. We must obliterate them and everything they love, that those who come after will never make their mistake.
That’s why we need to vote blue no matter who this November, to make sure they get what’s coming to them!
TL;DR version: Those intrusive thoughts of “obliterating everything they love” can be tempting, but there are better alternatives. “Vote blue no matter what” could change to something better, more pro-working class, something fool-proof, something even the dumbest person can understand what it’s about, because right now, I don’t think I’m lying when I say that more than half of the entire world doesn’t even know what “red vs blue” really means. They know it’s politics, but, if you asked them what they think each means… Holy Toledo.
I have lost people to both democrat and republican presidents already, but I’d still choose a democrat, don’t get me wrong on that. It’s just that you still deserve so, so much better than what you currently have in that party.
Long version, for the chads with big dicks:
Those intrusive thoughts feel tempting because we keep seeing the top 1% happily sacrificing millions of innocent lives for their own pleasure, which is a reason I have a profound hate for bodyguards and anyone who works in the manufacture of weapons, bombs, bullets… Everything related to destruction. Whoever is giving the metal the shape, engineering the design, or even the janitor cleaning the office of those engineers so they can feel comfortably happy while designing the next drone that will blow the heads of some poor Muslim children… I have to say that “obliterating everything they love” is still not a good choice.
I think putting them in jail permanently is enough of a message. Forgiving their children and family members that can prove to be genuinely different is also an important message. Killing them would make us look too barbaric, which puts the reputation at risk, and therefor the trust, even if it happens 200+ years later. We’d just have to be consistent and keep hardening the law. It has to be done en masse too; a massive wave around the world of people taking the power and using it to put all these corrupt assholes in the worst cells possible. No Pablo Escobar/Ghislaine Maxwell vacation jail bullshit.
I don’t think we will be able to stop the angriest people from passionately assassinating some of these assholes before we do that, but I won’t stop them nor argue against them either, because I have personally lost family members in Lebanon and here in Mexico to these monsters, let alone all the innocent people throughout history, everywhere. I hate it. All that potential art and talent wasted just to please one boring psychopath asshole nobody likes, but is rich enough (because he exploited and killed others to enrich themselves) to feed us or not. We don’t really need to keep suffering to create good art either as many think. We have enough History and drama to create an endless amount of content that’d keep us entertained and happy.
The voting blue no matter what, I hope it’s innocent deep down, but so far, I think only a small number of democrats are actually decent people, imo. The majority are under AIPAC’s command, they cannot even condemn the genocide in Gaza. They don’t want to stop funding Israel either, so. Instead of “voting blue no matter what,” I think the message should be more keen to something for the people, not some “blind support and loyalty to the party” nonsense.
“Vote for people, not parties.”
“Loyalty to the people, not the party.”
“People first, parties second.”
“Represent us or lose us.”
“Vote for the policies and actions, not because the candidate has a D next to their name.”
I don’t know, anything but a 1984-esque one like “vote blue no matter who.” I wish people used one that focused on Humanity, on the people, not some dick-measuring contests.
It’s just my fantasy, it won’t happen, but whatever. I say that because I am sure the majority of the world, and I mean this: more than 60%, easily, of the entire planet, doesn’t even know what “red vs blue” even really means, honestly. Like, they know it’s about politics, but if you asked them what they think they mean… Oh, brother. A lot of people genuinely believe “communism and socialism are exactly the same thing and they both mean being lazy, being dirt poor all the time, and introducing homeless people in your home. Nothing else.”
I am sure a lot of them are loyal to the red or blue party just because “it’s their favorite color.” Fuck that shit. Use a slogan that is fool-proof. One that even the dumbest motherfucker can understand what’s it’s about, and it’s about Class Consciousness, about the Working Class, about the People, about being paid a livable wage, being paid what you’re truly worth, that people deserve to see themselves at their full potential before they die, etc. Not some party, not some oligarchs, not Chuck Schumer and his stupid glasses. I have lost people to both democrat and republican presidents already, but I’d still choose a democrat, don’t get me wrong on that. It’s just that you still deserve so, so much better than what you currently have in that party.
Don’t be a conformist; the Jeffrey Epstein Class worked so hard the past decades to turn us into conformists who are slowly normalizing this way of living. I hope we manage to flip that shit over and remove those broken psychopath weirdos.
I just wanna add for humor and to prove the point that I am not voting blue because blue here is the fashos. Because not everywhere is the US, and if that slogan escapes places where everyone expects US-defaultism, things could get very funny.
Are you saying we shouldn’t vote blue no matter who? So you’re just another fascist, huh?
I literally said I’d still vote blue no matter who, even after both democrat and republican presidents have killed my family. I just added that you still deserve much better than that. I said I wish you focused more on the Working Class and the People, not a party. You are the fascist here for giving your loyalty to a party instead of Humanity.
I have lost people to both democrat and republican presidents already, but I’d still choose a democrat, don’t get me wrong on that. It’s just that you still deserve so, so much better than what you currently have in that party.
But you’re not properly enthusiastic about it so its your fault we lost.
I am a Mexican, whose country currently loses 30,000+ people every year to Narcos using American guns. Happened during Bush, during Obama, during Trump, during Joe. Even before them. Reagan and Nixon (republicans) were the ones who forced us into this meaningless war. I have to focus on your country and politics, because you are the biggest influence we have, I do focus on mine too, but I can only find real change here.
You, in the other hand, you don’t want to change. You still want me to blindly support whatever you say I should support. Fuck that. I will support socialist candidates like Zohran Mandami, Claire Valdez, Graham Platner, etc. If Kamala won, I wonder if this same pressure would exist, or we’d just be tolerating this miserable life, low wages, 30,000+ homicides in Mexico, 20,000+ in the USA, her supporting Israel, supporting her Mega Donors first before the people, etc. for another decade or so. At least Trump completely removed the mask and is forcing everyone to lock in and change for good now. He also revealed so many leftists like you who are still high on American Exceptionalism. If you’re like that, I want to let you know that to me, you are no different from a MAGA. You still think Muslims are genetically violent, you think Mexicans are genetically violent, and that the USA should stay being the “World Police,” meddling in international affairs to “fix them themselves.” You still think you are the heroes, but no. You are literally terrorists. The USA is worse than HAMAS. You have killed over 30,000 mexicans with your influence and guns for decades. That’s just Mexico. You exploit Africans and other Latin American countries the same way. They are suffering SO MUCH, and it is all thanks to lazy people like you who care more about their feelings than others’.
You have no empathy for implying I should be enthusiastic about supporting those fucking monsters. And also saying “it’s my fault all this bad shit is happening now, for not voting blue no matter what,” kiss my ass. You just want us to be compliant to the Jeffrey Epstein Class. I want it to be destroyed once and for all.
These people are delusional for thinking that family members of Epstein class should be forgiven, if you think Epstein class will let any guilt free people high up in any organization with considerable political power then you must be raving. They both are in it together, some new party must be formed, even then you can’t be sure if the new party is compromised, but that’s a start.
Just further enshittification. Companies don’t make new things or new technologies anymore. They just find new ways to rent squat and extract fees.
The internet will never be open again because of this.
Not under capital. No.
Apparently you had to sign an agreement that you will not use internet for business/commercial purposes in the NSFNET days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Science_Foundation_Network#Acceptable_use_policy
Using copyleft licenses for closed models is clearly against the spirit of the licenses if the users don’t have access to the source code that includes the original copyleft works. Even open weight models aren’t really the source code, and are more akin to a compiled binary. The source code is all the training data and code used to train the model such that anyone can build on it and train new models.
I’m not a lawyer and am not sure how well existing copyleft licenses like GPL or CC-SA would stand up in court to enforce this, but if they don’t, then stronger licenses that explicitly cover works being used as training data need to become more common.
I’ve seen the argument that the models are just learning from the data in the same way a human would. That’s nonsense. It’s not like they’re creating a sentient being with its own agency that can tell them to fuck off if it wants. These companies are running a software pipeline against copyrighted IP to convert it into a derivative work that is now supposedly wholly owned by said company, but the reality is that it’s collectively owned by everyone who contributed to the copyleft training data.
This is not new for companies to make money on the internet using the work and information others made without compensation for the community
Google search or stackoverfow did it long before LLMs, it’s just that the price is different, you pay with your attention spans instead of money
I’m pretty sure that we’ll have freely accessible LLMs with ads baked in a way you can’t even see them at first glance (if they aren’t doing it already)What’s new with LLMs is that the information source is hidden, no credit is attributed for people that contribute to the community anymore
Google search or stackoverfow did it long before LLMs
These examples had very obvious attribution and were an easy path to you. AI on the other hand serves as the source of truth in almost all scenarios. I consider myself a savvy user and even then I find myself never actually clicking on the cited sites - just looking at their titles, most people don’t even bother with that.
which is why any opensource project should have strict restrictions about how companies are allowed to use it.
big companies can (currently) legally pirate books/movies/media from torrenting sites in order to train ai algos. Source: Meta Lawsuit
Indeed, the courts have shockingly given a pass to torrenting down unauthorized copies to the LLM companies, versus how they destroyed some lives of private individuals for similar behavior…
You see, there is a huge difference you are missing here….
They are billionaires
Fun fact, recently had an argument with someone defending the favorable tax situation for the ultra wealthy.
Their argument was that billionaires did not have as much “real money” as middle class people so of course the middle class people should pay more in taxes…
Relevant to nothing, but just thinking of favorable billionaire treatment right now triggers that thought…
Doesn’t really stop them from ignoring it anyway.
They should be sued for theft and plagiarism.
Yes, the courts will save us!
I never had a license for having a big dick til they made it a requirement requestement that make it do what it as it do be it for cuz that’s what it be.
Sorry, lost some blood to my brain for a second when I was thinking of small land mammals.
The “you are replaceable” thing is older than everyone currently alive. It hasn’t been invented by the AI tech bros.
Also, the library is still out there. You still can ignore the rent-seeking middle men and use it directly with your own natural neural network.Also, the library is still out there. You still can ignore the rent-seeking middle men and use it directly with your own natural neural network.
…but you have to jump between a billion hoops to get there because now it’s all buried between AI results and SEO crap.
Assuming it’s even still there and accessible in the same way, if its site was enshittified (did someone say Reddit?) you might need to go through additional hoops even after you actually find it.
Reddit is a bad example because it’s still readable without an account and almost uncensored outside politics. You can also still query Reddit explicitly reasonably fine by adding “Reddit” to your search in DuckDuckGo or Google.
Reddit’s enshittification is in the optional buyable reactions (which make posts and comments way more visible than voting is able to), their automated moderation, and making automated moderation for sub mods harder.
Using it as a library is what didn’t get enshittified.That got enshittified too, anything marked as NSFW is not accessible without an account right now.
And from personal experience (might be just me being dumb though), old Reddit doesn’t work anymore if you’re not logged in, so you’re stuck with the new interface which auto-translates stuff and makes comment chains impossible to browse through on mobile.
The sort-of not really but they will tell that it is one to the government for NSFW content is just ass covering. Can’t really blame them for not wanting their business getting closed by some lunatics who happen to be in power.
Auto-translation is a feature the author can use (but I do have an extension for translating marked text too, because translation is actually a pretty useful feature to have in general).
For me on desktop, the UI is okay. But yeah, it probably sucks on mobile. UI generally tends to suck on mobile.
Tail as old as land
