we can finally settle this debate
aoc IS bad
I was one of the last holdouts here. I was still weakly defending her maybe a couple years ago, but definitely not anymore. I actually can’t recall the last time anyone here had anything positive to say about her.
AOC got bled dry like all US “progressives”
Don’t hate the player, hate the game
Nah, she completely sold out and is looking like the next generations Pelosi after like 4 years.
At least it took bernie a few decades and multiple presidential runs for the dnc to completely neuter him.
Even today Bernie is at least bucking the establishment line… Not enough to make waves, but enough for a few ripples.
There was the “AOC is doing what the unions want” guy
Wasn’t that LiberalSocialist? I have no idea if they actually believed anything or if they just liked starting struggle sessions.
That was their last notable soapbox before they got banned for shit stirring
Ngl I was pretty sick of their shit
Do you disagree?
That AOC was doing what the unions wanted? Yes, she was doing what a slim majority of their administrators wanted.
Power Dynamics
Sorry if I was being ambiguous, I was saying “Yes, [I disagree, because it was merely] what a slim majority of their administrators wanted [rather than the unions as a whole, or even the normal supermajority of administrators]”
Don’t worry i understood, and i agree with you. I was just doing the LiberalSocialist bit, where they would spam shit like “Do you disagree?” and “Power Dynamics”
Now the debate is between AOC is bad vs AOC was always bad
Yup
Another fucking useless liberal
this is the US “left”, calling a peaceful rally for Palestinians anti-semitic
She’s doing what the Palestinian’s want, actually.
POWER DYNAMICS
Do you disagree??
I started lurking hexbear around the time liberalsocialist got banned. What was their deal?
Coin flip on the best wrecker the site has ever seen and a very confused and masochistic liberal with demsoc tendencies
They would lie like crazy and if you pinned them down on something long enough the nastiness would come out, my moneys on wrecker
have you ever pinned a liberal down? they love getting nasty when they don’t have any other arguments.
They definitely lived up to the liberal part of their name
I don’t understand how anyone could be anti-Palestine.
Colonizer solidarity. Shitbirds of a feather flock together.
Oh shit I just remembered she’s Puerto Rican. Lol the experience of oppression truly does not bring solidarity, for many theory and education are required.
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A lot of US latinos are often the oppressors while cosplaying as one of us actually living under their thumb. Explains why so many are quick to claim indigenous ancestry even though they would probably be claiming European ancestry if they lived in Latin America.
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Explains why so many are quick to claim indigenous ancestry even though they would probably be claiming European ancestry if they lived in Latin America.
I’m DEEPLY fascinated by this phenomenon since it has such stark implications about my heritage to know that I’m 2/3rds indigenous by DNA but do not qualify as such under any rules in any location and family lore has zero mention on it.
Are you mestizo? I am and even live near the indigenous group that I’m descended from. But I only speak two Euro languages (Spanish and English) and can only speak their language at the level of a middle schooler.
A lot of US latinos are mestizo and probably claim to be indigenous because of likely strong indigenous features that they share. My issue with this is that they’re culturally anything but. They speak English and/or Spanish only, have no real knowledge of the group and just latch onto the most “badass” ones like Mayans or Aztecs, and have never once stepped foot in those communities. That to me is what it means to be indigenous more than bloodlines. It’s something you really have to be born and raised in.
There’s also a lot of white supremacy in Latin American cultures and many mestizos like to claim European ancestry to seem superior. Older generations will even outright marry white people that have the stereotypical features of Western beauty. My own brother is like this and married a blonde English woman with blue eyes and pale skin. He specifically went out of his way to date foreign women with those features.
Americans desperately need to realise that Latino is not a race.
I understand that latin* is often considered to be an ethnicity rather than a race, but without getting out the calipers, what’s the meaningful difference there?
I.E. in terms of the role the social categorization plays, what’s the difference between the class of categories that includes Latin* and the class of categories that includes Black/East Asian/ etc
Anybody from any Latin American country can describe themselves as Latino, so if anything, it is an umbrella term for a number of nationalities, neither a race or an ethnicity.
You can be white and Latino, or black and Latino, or indigenous and Latino or mestizo and Latin, the same way you could be any of those things and “American” (as in born in the United States).
for many theory and education are required.
But according to AOC, theory and education are bougie things
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the experience of oppression truly does not bring solidarity
I mean yeah look at Israel
I know, I know, but they seem tone-deaf.
we need some randy lahey emotes
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One of the best selling musicals in the US consists of POC dancing and rapping happily as slave owners.
They will act all tough and invoke “antifa” when it comes to American WWII soldiers. But when they see genocide and oppression happening in front of their eyes, and publicly supported by Israeli politicians, they will close their eyes.
It’s like how Joseph Smith and Mormonism give us a modern account of how a mass religion is formed, and still millions of people support it despite the inhumane crimes. Israel is one of the countries that show us on our phones and screens how an apartheid state is formed and run, and millions of people still support it.
gotta look at it in the context of the information people have available to them. A lot of people in the West have been fed a steady stream of dehumanizing propaganda for decades that positions all Muslims and Arabs as barely human monsters who engage in all kinds of brutal and cruel violence purely out of malice. There are few if any voices countering this in the major media channels, which almost all liberal channels and all GOP channels fully on-board. European countries have been engaged in racial violence and discrimination against Muslims, especially Arabs and North Africans, for centuries.
It’s a Plato’s cave thing. They’re not deeply weird people like us who have access to information that counters Western propaganda. Western propaganda is their whole world. And even then, a lot of people know or suspect it’s bullshit.
A lot of people in the West have been fed a steady stream of dehumanizing propaganda for decades that positions all Muslims and Arabs as barely human monsters who engage in all kinds of brutal and cruel violence purely out of malice.
until it comes to Xinjiang. Then it’s opportunist time.
Except even if you only go by the major capitalist media outlets you can see that they constantly fucking lie to justify war and imperialism. They lied about the Nayirah testimony, about WMD in Iraq, about attempted genocide in Libya, about Afghanistan having anything to do with 9/11, and so on. There are people totally alienated from the contemporary political landscape of the West because they understand that everyone only does bad things but they don’t know how to stop it. The ‘people’ that swallow it whole recognize their interest in continued white supremacy and choose to reinforce the belief that it’s good.
Because supporting oppressed people is akshually antisemitism, sweaty 💅
Because ultimately the NIMBY type doesn’t care about what happens to brown people so they aren’t going to sweat the fact that the US subsidizes apartheid at the cost of tens of billions of dollars per year.
Because they’re being paid a lot of money not to be
Dems would be a lot more successful if they knew when to keep their mouths shut.
In fairness to AOC specifically, this is really the first time that she went a bit too far.
Off the top of my head, she also supported the Biden admin strikebreaking. I’m sure there’s others; she’s just a standard Democrat with progressive styling at this point.
Voted to give Israel money for the Iron Dome.
No, she couldn’t even wait six months into the Biden admin to say that leftist criticisms of him were all bad faith and that he’s beating all of our expectations lol
You ever tried to have a career as a high profile American politician?
Never will.
If Israel was an enemy of the West and not a strong ally, 90% of Americans would be supporting Palestine just on state propaganda alone.
Here let me show you the source code.
They aren’t white.
Yep.
zero citing example of the ‘‘hatred and antisemitism’’ in the article by the way.
Just for the info, Pelosi was a civil right activist before going into politics. Just like how AOC pretended to have helped unionize some workplace.
kicking the ladder for your constituents is not a bug, it’s a feature
zero citing example of the ‘‘hatred and antisemitism’’ in the article by the way.
They don’t because the US media and politicians have long made an effort to make it so that the public equivocates support for the Palestinian people with antisemitism. So simply asking the that Palestinians not be treated like animals is antisemitic. It’s sickening.
When you try to ask the UN to give Palestinian authority some semblance of justice, that’s diplomatic terrorism
When you do BDS, that’s economical terrorism.
Pelosi was also in the “progressive caucus” and called for universal healthcare at some point. AOC is Pelosi, I’ve been saying this for years.
AOC is Pelosi, I’ve been saying this for years.
lol she wish she was
she really does.Pelosi is a ghoul, but damn if sbe wasn’t great at being a ghoul. Did nothing but enrich herself and actively make the world worse, and had the voteball enjoyers clapping for her while she ddd it
give it time. She already serves the same purpose that Pelosi used to. So many centrists and “progressives” point to her as an example that actually progressive politics are possible within the Democratic Party and use her as a cudgel against left wing criticisms of the party. She already funnels money from progressive donors towards centrist democrats. Sure, she may never be the Speaker of the house but I could definitely see her selling out more to get into some leadership position.
right here. She was the 2nd biggest fundraiser after Pelosi herself. Whether she enters leadership or not, she has the real power which is money.The fact that she has that money, that we know she hands over to centrists, makes it clear that all her whinging about needing to play ball with leadership because of commitee appointments or whatever is completely empty.
She was on the ghoul track her whole life. Her 6 month tour as a bartender was a stolen valor photo op, no different than ratboys.
ISRAEL DOES ETHNIC CLEANSING YOU FUCKING BUFFOON!
Haven’t you considered that the fragile ego of some Zionists are more important than Palestinian untermensch?
AOC is really speedrunning her turn into a Pelosi figure huh?
She wishes. It’ll be a long time before anyone lets her get near a position of authority.
speedrun it before it turns into a disfunctional state
lord help me i’m gonna fedpost
Lol, throwing around solidarity while demonizing people that just want their rights respected. Fuck off lib.
Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Shut the fuck up. Shut up! SHUT UP!
social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism
They really keep proving it.
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The Canadian New Democratic Party put out a better statement on the issue than any sitting America politician did. And the NDP’s statement still had to do the “we condemn Hamas but” about it. Meanwhile Bernie, Fetterman, and every member of The Squad (including Omar and I’m decently sure Tlaib but I could be corrected on that) put out awful shit. Fetterman’s was especially unhinged to the point where Felix quote tweeted it and said “Next time you’re depressed skip the hospital”
ETA: Looked up Tlaib’s twitter and couldn’t find anything. Guess she decided to stay silent. Thats actually better than any of the others did lol.
I guess she can only speak up about the supposed ethnic cleansing of muslims if uhhhh they’re Chinese and the evidence is some grainy satellite photos of middle schools
https://twitter.com/rashidatlaib/status/1308960805526933506
and not when there’s tons of evidence and the Israeli government is openly using genocidal language and saying they will cut off all food and waterEDIT: apparently she hasglad to see, thank you. I shoulda checked myself but seeing a lot of red lately
Yeah not saying Tlaib is good just that on this one issue silence is better than what any of the others have done lol.
true I’m just angry about it
Come on now, we can do better than a twitter search https://www.businessinsider.com/rep-rashida-tlaib-palestine-israel-statement-instagram-2023-10?amp
Pleasantly surprised, my bad. I would have assumed if she said something it would be on her twitter.
I would have assumed if she said something it would be on her twitter.
She is a “progressive” elected just to tweet, like the rest of the squad, so don’t beat yourself up for making that assumption
Tlaib and bush afaik are the only people approaching the vicinity of based in Congress
Did Bush say something good about this?
Also honestly I visited Omar’s twitter and her followups on this are pretty good it was just that initial tepid both sides bullshit that was severely disappointing. AOC, Bernie, and especially Fetterman were no surprise but Omar I did not expect. My Jewish friend from her district thinks she’s afraid of a primary because the last primary was actually kinda close and the Israel lobby is strongly against her and there’s a fair amount of Zionists in that district. But still like, have a backbone lol. They’re going to hate you regardless.
Having a backbone would get your name out at least, might make people like you
Bush demanded an end to military aid to Israel
she also called it an apartheid in her statement which is important since the democrats decided to ignore that Palestinians are being oppressed.
Nice, good for her.
this fucking freak goddamn
Fucking moron. Doesn’t she have a celebrity talk show to go on? I’m sure that’s of greater importance.
What do you mean? Her job of sheepdogging young progressives into believing Zionism is the most leftwing stance you can have is a very important part of her function now!
