I’m not saying I don’t like Bush but it’s a little silly to call me ungrateful after the whole Iraq and Afghanistan debacle.
I am saying I don’t like Bush
I hate them both, Senior and Junior.
Hate em all, did we really need the brother in Florida messing stuff up too?
I dunno I didn’t listen to any albums after “Sixteen Stone”
i think that was my seventh or eighth album. one of the first ten probably.
They’re a one-hit wonder anyway
Neocons are an interesting bunch of people.
Gotta say. I kinda agree. If you’re a men that hate the 90s grunge band Bush, you have no soul
This would be even funnier if Bush were a soul band.
Great album
This was the first album I bought with my own money.
Solid investment.
But being against George W Bush is very reasonable.
Bush X was better
Got a machine head! It’s better than the rest. Green to red, machine head.
Damn 15 hours too late.
Nah, you’re right on time 🖖
Incubus did do it better, though.
This is a horrible pop album full of gibberish, and I grew up in the 90s.
People should just find people they’re sexually compatible with. No one owes you anything, and you don’t owe anyone anything. Just do whatever you want with consenting adults. I don’t understand why this concept is so fucking hard? You don’t like bush, cool, don’t sleep with someone who has one. You like to have a bush? Cool, don’t sleep with someone who doesn’t like it. Simple as that people. No one decides what they like and what they don’t. You can’t force someone to like your body, so why even bother? There’s plenty people out there who likes you the way you are.
You don’t like bush, cool, don’t sleep with someone who has one.
Should this conversation happen prior to the encounter, then?
Nothing wrong with talking about expectations prior to banging.
“Oh you grew up in Phoenix? My family’s in Scottsdale. So, like, do you have pubes?”
Sorry, Scottsdale is a dealbreaker.
I can excuse Scottsdale but I draw the line at Cave Creek.
In theory - yes. But in practice it would be rude and / or ruining the moment.
If the moment can be ruined by something little, it was going to be ruined to begin with.
Not at all
Much more rude to tell a woman you don’t want to fuck her after she’s taken her clothes off.
sex is physical use body language
This one got me hahah
You’ve forgot another scenario.
He doesn’t “owe her anything”, so…
Never said he did. I’m saying it’s probably better to bring up such a strong preference before clothes come off.
Wouldn’t that technically mean she’s raping you?
What the fuck?
It was a tongue-in-cheek comment about people who legitimately believe that a woman has been raped if she changes her mind during, but never relays that information to the man.
Weeds out the weak quickly lol
If you care enough about it, yes.
If it’s actually a total deal breaker for you then … probably?
Nah, I’ve been married for 22 years, I don’t care anymore. Actually never did.
This is the real answer. I mean some compromise is normal and healthy in a relationship, but for the most part everyone just do what you are comfortable with and find people who are good with that
Yep and if people at large could stop commenting on women’s body hair publicly, then everyone could be even more focused on finding people they are compatible with <3
This is about people who go out of their way to comment on typically women’s bodies or go out of their way to leave hate comments to women online for having body hair.
This is in the intro of the video.
I’m mostly refering to some of the comments in this thread. A lot seem to take it very personal that some people might not be into the same thing they are.
Weird, I’m mostly seeing George Bush jokes.
There’s plenty people out there who likes you the way you are.
Hahaha, good one 😂
… now I’m sad 😔
pokes your shoulder
Hey, I like you!
How’s today going?
Hiii, yesterday was pretty bad, thanks for asking :)
I can give you an internet hug or internet head pats if you would agree to such.
Hope today is less bad.
This is the answer in a pragmatic sense, in our day to day. It works, it’s fine. The thing is our tastes are not 100% natural and spontaneous, they can be influenced by context, and that context can be problematic. So the extra step these discussions are asking us to do is beyond the pragmatic or useful day to day advice you gave. It is questioning why we have those tastes. “Why don’t I like natural cis women?”, “Why am I not attracted to black people?”, “Why do I refuse to date trans guys?”. Etcetera. If we find it is not because of prejudices, societal expectations, 'must be’s from unequal societies, or anything like that, then it’s an unfortunate coincidence but we can move on. But if we find something like that (those things I listed), it is not necessarily permanent, I think most of the times it can be worked on, changed, and these discussions are also an invitation to do so.
Umm, I do, in fact, decide what I like or don’t like. That’s true for everybody. But I don’t decide what you like, and vice versa. So the issue is still that you can’t decide for other people what they’re into.
How does that work? Especially given the context. As I’ve understood attraction and what one likes about the other person aren’t really changeable? I’m genuinely curious how can that be changed or decided?
I don’t know - maybe just owning your choices?
And still, hows that supposed to change what one likes?
Of course i can consciously decide to override likes and preferences, but that still doesn’t change those. It will still be conscious decision every time.And giving the current context of sex. As I’ve understood, we aren’t supposed to force that? Like we don’t go up to someone who’s gay and say why don’t you decide to like women, of course some do, but we’re not supposed because those likes aren’t supposed to be changeable.
Here’s my approach to this, as a dude:
I mean, really I don’t have a broad preference for or against bush at all…
… but, if you want me to smooch things down there, please tidy up a bit.
I just don’t like having a mouth full of hair.
Don’t worry, I will tidy up too, for the reverse scenario, if partner also dislikes mouthful of hair, and! … this also applies to my facial hair… I’m not that attached to it, and it will grow back, if you want to smooch my face but don’t like the beard/stache.
Maybe I am lucky in that I at least I think I look decent both with or without a beard/stache.
This is to me completely fair and reciprocal, and … really is not that conplicated.
Fuck, I saw this late and didn’t post in time
Thank you for your service Private sad_detective_man… gonna just call you Private Sad-Dick
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I don’t think either Bush presidencies were very good TBH.
The endings were pretty great, at least.
My partner will grow everything out, full pits, full bush and I’m like “Yes! so sexy!” Then she’ll decide to shave everything and I’m like “awwww yeah!”. Then back to the bush and I’m again stoked. She’s beautiful and sexy no matter what.
This is really sweet <3
She is a real asset.
And OP is a real keeper!
I’m assuming you don’t mind the razor burn moments in between either.
Hate Bush ❌ Kate Bush ✅
Have you seen Kate Bush’s bush?
(I mean the shrubbery, of course.)
Yes. I’ve see the Kate Bush.
I hated the name Bush X.
The 1990s British alt-rock band Bush was temporarily known as Bush X only in Canada. They were forced to add the “X” because a 1970s Canadian rock group named Bush (led by Domenic Troiano) already legally held the rights to the name in the Canadian market.
Wikipedia
Funny thing. Heard Stormy Daniels run down how the shaved look happened.
Back in DVD days, a porn star could hit the road and tour a lot of strip clubs. She could sell a lot of merchandise and make herself well known. The problem was that a lot of these clubs were in small towns where the cops loved harassing the dancers. A lot of places had laws that said that visible pubic hair was illegal, so a lot of dancers shaved, and they encouraged the porn stars to do the same.
When the shaven ladies got back to shooting, they kept on shaving. Pretty soon that became the standard look in movies and magazines.
It’s insane to me that the hair is what they had a problem with, and putting your genitals on even fuller display is the loophole.
Think about it.
Those laws were written long before VHS was a thing. Back in the day they were policing burlesque shows where the ladies might go down to G-string and pasties. The pubic hair thing was a simple test to see if they’d gone too far.
Also, in the bars the dancers might have to keep their G-strings on [laws vary by state] A lot of dancers travel, so it makes sense to be ready for the strictest enforcement
With full respect to Ms Daniels I think it predates DVDs. My first sight (and many others I suspect) was an actress by the name of Seka who was shaving in the 70s and possibly earlier. As she tells it she was an early innovator in glamming up porn with good hair and makeup. Shaving was part of an exotic look.
There’s been pubic hair removal going back to ancient Egypt, through Greece and Rome and into modern times.
Fair. And it’s true that I haven’t watched all the porn that out there, but it was my first sight of naked pudendum. I’m confident it wasn’t the first ever. But the 60s and 70s were known as big bush era.
I grew up in the '70s and volunteered at the local recycling center, so I had a collection of literally every porn magazine from back then - Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler, Oui etc. etc. Multiple copies of each issue. Even weird high-quality stuff that showed actual penetration and cumshots and whatnot (big no-nos with the major publications at the time). Not a single bare bush in all of that stuff.
But it’s kind of like saying Elvis or The Beatles didn’t invent their signature hair styles.
What Ms. Daniels said [and I agree with] is that a lot of porn stars started shaving around the same time and that filtered into the mainstream.
Again, fair. I haven’t read Ms Daniel’s comments directly. I can fully accept that there was something other than aesthetics driving the change.
Whoa that’s such a wild story! Where there’s a will, there’s a way haha
What’s even funnier is that the question that prompted the story was something like ‘have you seen porn behavior filtering into the mainstream?’
I think the interviewer was expecting something about clothes…
I think anyone that makes blanket generalizations is deceitful, what a coincidence.
Exactly. Only a sith deals in absolutes.
I absolutely approve of afro-sized bush to bury my beard in /shrug
You just made a blanket statement too ;)
I’m not sure that I have, actually — blanket generalizations are inherently deceitful.
I’m not sure that I have, actually — blanket generalizations are inherently deceitful.
None of the definitions I can find for blanket generalizations require deceit.
It’s simply a fallacy defined by inductive conclusions.
You unintentionally and in good faith made a paradox under the misunderstanding that deceit was required.
You don’t need to intend to be deceitful to be deceitful, just like you don’t need to intend to kill someone to kill them.
The world is not sweeping absolutes. Painting it as such always obscures some truth, this post is no different.
Edit: I’m just wrong here, I was misusing deceitful.
think anyone that makes blanket generalizations
That’s a sweeping absolute, but this conversation is obviously going nowhere, have a good one friend.
Edit: that wasn’t fair of me. Let me rethink this response.
Edit2: I recognize the paradox here, I think I was using deceit incorrectly. I accept your responses, thanks for being cordial.
It’s a good thing the person in the video specified she’s taking about men who have the audacity to judge women’s bodies and body hair publicly then.
Yeah that context is important, the title is enough to make me write the whole thing off.
I understand why clickbait strategies are common, I am just not the common denominator that they’re aimed at. Am I judging a book by its cover? Yes… but I’d also judge ‘Notes on How to Skin a Baby’ by its cover so… idk.
Comparing men that don’t like women’s natural bodies to murdering and skinning a baby sure is a choice you made.
It’s ok if your kneejerk reaction was to be defensive. It’s also ok to re-examine the post and realize that just because you are a man doesn’t mean they’re talking about you.
Broad sweeping generalizations are ALWAYS wrong
I wish statements like that made LLMs explode.
YES I fully agree
Nah man. If you hate how it comes naturally, then you don’t actually like it.
But I’m a middle aged woman, so I think the ‘male gaze’ and its judgemental subjugation can fuck all the way off.
I don’t care what you think your qualifications are. These three things are true: I love my girlfriend, I am sexually attracted to my girlfriend, I hate pubes. Whatever you think is irrelevant.
“I love you… But only when you go through extra effort to modify yourself for me.”
When did I say that?
I hate pubes because I don’t like hair near my mouth in general. I don’t ask my girlfriend to shave, she does it because she sees my own reaction when a beard hair gets in my mouth.
Like I said, blanket generalizations are inherently deceitful.
Edit: I used deceitful incorrectly. There is no intent to deceive. It may be deceitful, it may be unintentionally misleading. There is nuance here.
If a beard hair getting in your mouth isn’t a strong enough reason for you to shave your beard, then it’s not a deal breaker/ you don’t hate it.
I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that your feelings between your own hairs and hers are similar.
Hold on, what?
If a beard hair getting in your mouth isn’t a strong enough reason for you to shave your beard, then it’s not a deal breaker/ you don’t hate it.
This is a ridiculous statement. Disliking an aspect of something and putting up with it for other reasons is such a natural thing it makes me wonder if you’ve ever styled yourself in any other capacity than troglodyte.
For example my girlfriend likes my beard. So I keep it. Because she likes it. You see how that works, cave person?
You see how that works, cave person?
I see how you can’t distinguish between preference and hatred, yes.
I recognize the paradox here, I think I was using deceit incorrectly.
Huh, weird.
Imagine thinking this is a gotcha.
‘Hehe, this guy admitted he was wrong about something - fucking owned.’
You’re a child, go sit in the corner.
Well they are both war criminals who should be tried as traitors, and the whitewashing of their legacies is deeply shameful to say the least.
I’m torn.
I don’t want hair in my mouth, but I do like the idea of playing in the jungle.
Keep the bush out of the valley… Have both worlds.
Part the lips delicately with your index and ring finger, while your middle finger is inside. If you have two fingers inside (middle and ring), use your pinky instead. Your chin should be resting on your palm
I mean, according to a research paper published by Brandeis University and its sources, the whole “women need to be shaved” thing was started by Gillette to sell razors, correlates with perceiving women as younger and a tendency to fetishise youth.
Considering the evolutionary roots, men should feel attracted to female body hair, as it is a secondary sexual characteristic, such as breast size and waist to hip ratio, and hence a sign of sexual maturity and ability to procreate. […]
Biologically, sexually mature females have body hair, but society has made femininity more connected to youth and pre-pubescence than to a woman’s ability to reproduce.
So if you like them unshaved, that’s natural (but no longer normal). If you like them shaved, that’s normal (but not natural).
And if you don’t like them at all, you’re lucky to sidestep that question.
It’s so weird when you see that specific subset of men (and to be fair, some women too) whining about how ‘body hair is unnatural for women’.
Right? It grows if you don’t do anything about it. That’s basically the definition of natural.
If they don’t find it attractive, they could just say so. It’s a subjective taste. Stand by it.
I just like women.
Wait, the pubic hair or the president?
Or the band? Or the flora?
Or the beer?
That’s Busch
My policy is that if you want someone’s mouth to go there, you should shave it. This applies to all genders and hair features pretty equally.
maybe not shave, but trim. it should be well maintained, not a wild plot.
hey some of us want to floss our teeth to evade the judging look of the dentist.
I said trim. An even five feet is better than an inch here and a meter there
I would disagree with your policy. Bush is a beautiful thing. Not only does it provide stunning contrast that perfectly frames their natural beauty, but it also acts as a pheromone diffuser. I love to have my nose resting on a soft bed of perfectly perfumed pillow bush while enjoying a hot meal.
That being said, I am a vocal advocate of bodily autonomy so if they prefer no bush, that’s never a problem, but my personal preference is au naturale.
Why ? No. I enjoy playing Indiana Jones in the bush.
Yum, sandpaper! /s
prefer something to nothing, but, a nice trim certainly makes going down easier when I don’t have to find the part lol
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I mean, they had a pretty okie album. I wouldn’t say i hate them.
No she’s talking about the family of politicians.
