And then the Blues lost
Go greens!
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yeah they really don’t seem to understand the importance of holding up the FREE end of the bread and circuses contract
They learned they don’t have to.
That ankle better get it together, though.
Just gotta find a will to live through unsanctioned romance!
I dunno. The local Italian deli (I am so fortunate. I have a Jewish deli, a German deli, and an Italian deli all in bike range of my home. I literally became a food critic to get someone else to pay me to find a good sandwich when I moved away from home the first time.) has a foccacia that inspires violence (when you don’t have foccacia) and kittens (there is a bike trail with cat colonies right next to all three restaurants. Which come up think of it one is like 25 miles away. It’s a nice trail. But I like eating my sammies with the other strays)
There’s a reason I’m back in the area I grew up. Only half of it is food.
There’s a reason I’m back in the area I grew up. Only half of it is food.
As a perpetual Turkish foreigner, my visits back home are lists of dishes and family members.
My dad hates it because I’m fat and he’s feuding with the rest of the family.
But you try knowing pastırma, sucuk , mantı and kazandibi and not getting to eat it years at a time.
A few months ago I ended up making kokoreç out of chinchulines and fistfuls of cumin and oregano
No one is handing you a ticket, just turn on Fox Noise. I don’t because it’s bad for sanity.
This is my own personal opinion, which is why this is staying up. But when has a revolution worked in the last 20 years?
- The military would shut that shit down in a second. The reason they didn’t on jan 6 was because a lot of the military was on that side.
- They would install a military dude that is also a dictator
- Creating a new government is fucking hard
Hey, let’s fix the old one.
It worked Ukraine 2014
I wouldn’t call it successful yet, but it’s definitely getting better:
The Revolution of Dignity (Ukrainian: Революція гідності, romanized: Revoliutsiia hidnosti), also known as the Maidan Revolution or the Ukrainian Revolution,[2] took place in Ukraine in February 2014[a] at the end of the Euromaidan protests.[1] Scores of protesters were killed by government forces during clashes in the capital Kyiv. Parliament then voted to remove President Viktor Yanukovych, return to the 2004 Constitution of Ukraine, and call new elections. The revolution prompted Russia to occupy Crimea, starting the Russo-Ukrainian war.[1][2]
Wasn’t the point to get rid of yachenko and have a new election, so they could rely/orient to Europe more?.. Seems like that’s happened.
They’re in a war because of it though. If that’s the best example of it “working,” I don’t think it’s great. They’re not a huge country like the US either. A civil war would be bad, I think we can agree on that.
I guess that means the American Revolution didn’t work either because we just wound up at war with Britain
You’re really calling for a civil war in the US? How do you think the rest of the world will do in that situation? The fucking Strait of Hormuz being shut down is causing a shitshow, what do you think having America in a civil war would do? Either, you’re not from here and have no skin in the game, or you’re not thinking this through.
Well now you’re clearly just putting words in my mouth and making far flung assumptions
Worth it if it stops usa from murdering people in other countries for at least a month
You’re arguing in a comments section. Was that the goal of your rebellion? Are you to blame for the others replying to you?
Were the protesters to blame for Russia’s response?
No. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. The protest achieved it’s goals, and since then Russia has invaded.
Russia’s actions are because of Putin, not because the protests failed.
I have my doubts that the war was caused by this. Not an expert in Ukrainian politics. Or any politics outside my little niche, really. But it is not the first Russian invasion and, until putain dies at least, it won’t be the last.
What a shitty victim blaming, kremlin fueled, garbage post.
“Yes we should become slaves because if we fight back the bad person will hit us”
Fix that post.
Rojava’s immense social revolution has continued to hold on despite everyone and their grandmother trying to bomb the shit out of them.
In Armenia, Nepal, and Ukraine, less all-encompassing revolutions have occurred to successfully change leadership while maintaining the structure of a liberal capitalist republic. Albania may well join this list soon.
In general hicks that are hard to get to with strong beliefs are really hard to stop. This is true in Rojava and Chiapas where I see them as models of a better world and in Afghanistan where I see them as harbingers of a worse one.
Revolution relies on stopping you either being impossible or not worthwhile. Extremists in difficult terrain that they call home are going to take a long fight where they win most of the battles to actually stop. Meanwhile a slight shift towards something most people want and most of the remainder can live with works because the cost of concession for the soldiers and lower officials is small and the cost of fighting is pissing everyone else off and damaging your population and international reputation while increasing the risk to all government involved people if the revolution succeeds.
The worst case scenario for the average soldier and revolutionary is a civil war type situation where neither side can concede, compromise, or decisively control the majority or where they miscalculate those factors
20 years? You think things are only as bad as 2006?
I said 20 years because of the military knowing so much about every citizen and being incredibly strong.
I think light revolutions work. Stuff like what France does where they riot and start burning cars when the government tries to raise the retirement age. The kind of stuff that reminds the politicians that they could be dragged out into the streets by an angry mob, but that hasn’t happened yet.
Actual revolutions where you do need to go that far, mostly fail as you said. Additionally, foreign meddling is common, so even if you can deal with everything else, outside actors are going to try to screw with you. And they’ll typically succeed.
Without any sort of violence at all, you become a non-threat and we get what we currently have in America today. No one cares about the protests because they aren’t going to do anything at all to the people they most need to affect.
Basically you need a sweet spot of minor levels of violence without fully going full revolution or being neutered into irrelevancy since they know you’ll never fight back.
The government did raise the retirement age.
Granted, the riots have made this an attractive talking point for candidates for the coming presidential election, but that’s about it.
Such riots may look amazingly violent to an outsider, but as a frenchman I don’t think we’ll get anything nice without going MUCH further than a day of planned (with the police), organised chaos in a designated street of Paris.
This is also mostly how modern geopolitics seems to work. Lots of little ‘skirmishes’ that aren’t actual war alongside more traditional diplomacy. The ideal seems to be mostly peace with a touch of violence here and there to keep people on their toes.
Renee Good and the other guy who was executed because he had a gun at a protest. I can’t find his name. I want to say Matthew Sweet? He was a nurse I think.
Alex Pretti
I feel bad about forgetting his name, wtf with trying to find it and couldn’t? It’s kind of scary.
There’s the Tunisian revolution which worked for a while but they seem to be backsliding now too.
But yeah, more an exception to the rule as every other Arab state that had a revolution recently, turned into a dictatorship or failed state.
jan 6 was because a lot of the military was on that side.
Getting the military on your side is sort of necessary for a successful revolution. Look at the Bolsheviks, the October revolution relied on them getting a good chunk of the rank and file of the military on there side with the promise of getting a peace deal so they don’t have to go back to the front lines to get mowed down by german machine guns.
Arab spring? Yeah it had some pretty bad outcomes in some places (Syria) but go look at the list of outcomes, from total overthrow of a despot, to democratisation of some states, and major government concessions and strengthening of people-power precedents in others.
The Madian revolt in Ukraine resulted in the overthrow of a despotic Russian lackey and move towards proper democracy and European alignment.
total overthrow of a despot
That was Egypt, right? It takes ten, twenty years at least for a revolution to settle into stable government. How is that going?
It worked for Portugal in 1974
I don’t know, but the Taliban won?
Interesting time frame.
gotta make the argument work
Yeah, cuts it down to like three.
