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wombat [none/use name]@hexbear.net to the_dunk_tank@hexbear.netEnglish · 2 years ago

I present to you a "pro-Palestinian" liberal's advice for Gazans

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I present to you a "pro-Palestinian" liberal's advice for Gazans

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wombat [none/use name]@hexbear.net to the_dunk_tank@hexbear.netEnglish · 2 years ago
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  • Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Just so everyone knows, they did lead a peaceful march a few years back and the Israelis shot thousands and thousands of them.

    • Huldra [they/them, it/its]@hexbear.net
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      And Israel lost no legitimacy over it, the international media either treated it as business like usual, those rowdy middle easterners just failing to get along, or straight up told Palestinians that they had no right to protest like that and that every single civilian was actually either a willing or stupid human shield for cloaked hamas agents, there to attack the IDF.

      • mayo_cider [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        The first headline I came across about this was something along the lines of “here’s how the Palestine situation helps Putin”

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    • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      These doorknobs don’t care

      They somehow think they’ll be the ones to come up with a workable solution for this which doesn’t involve violence, while some of them even acknowledge that the US establishment is completely backing Israel and completely fine with Palestine being wiped out of existence

      Head empty

    • space_comrade [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      How is this event called? I don’t really remember it.

      • LeZero [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        It was the Great March of Return

    • quarrk [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      Can someone link more info on this for my uninformed ass? “Palestine peace march” is not giving many useful results rn due to the recent events

      • LeZero [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–2019_Gaza_border_protests

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          Concessions: None

          yea

  • emizeko [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    Dr. King’s policy was that nonviolence would achieve the gains for black people in the United States. His major assumption was that if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That’s very good. He only made one fallacious assumption: In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none.

    —Kwame Ture

    • wombat [none/use name]@hexbear.netOP
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      holy fuck

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
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        Yeah. Hard as tungsten.

  • BeamBrain [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    peaceful march

    They tried that, Israel mowed them down en masse, it didn’t lose an ounce of legitimacy in the eyes of international-community-1international-community-2

    • The_Jewish_Cuban [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      I wonder if there is some kind of socio-economic forces that are the driving reasons behind the world hegemon supporting the fascist state of isn’treal? thinkin-lenin

  • DoiDoi [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    The Palestinians should offer themselves to the butcher’s knife. They should throw themselves into the sea from cliffs. It would arouse the world and the people of Israel.

    Gandhi, twitter, 2023

    • TheLepidopterists [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      Beat me to it. Easy to say other people should just lay down and die I guess.

      • silent_water [she/her]@hexbear.net
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        he meant himself/Indians as well – he was that idealistic and had that poor of a understanding of why his protests worked in India. MLK was all around the much better political leader, down to reassessing his view on nonviolence.

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          Yeah I guess I was being slightly unfair, still this kind of sentiment also feels like it’s the best libs have to offer to Palestinians especially at this point and they absolutely aren’t walking the walk themselves.

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            nah, it’s justified. I was just clarifying who he meant when he said that. the people quoting that are not in any way putting themselves in harm’s way and moreover they’re quoting someone with dogshit politics.

    • 🏳️‍⚧️ 新星 [she/they]@lemmygrad.ml
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      For context, here’s the original quote:

      An actual Holocaust reference

      Hitler killed five million [sic] Jews. It is the greatest crime of our time. But the Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher’s knife. They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs…It would have aroused the world and the people of Germany… As it is they succumbed anyway in their millions.

      — Mahatma Gandhi, June 1946

  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]@hexbear.net
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    Yes, imagine…

    Although this year’s event passed by without any violence, Land Day in Gaza in past years has erupted in clashes at the border fence with Israel

    In 2018, Palestinians in Gaza used the day to begin a series of mass protests dubbed the Great March of Return, which lasted two years.

    The protests saw major bloodshed with more than 260 Palestinians killed, mostly by Israeli sniper fire.

    Nearly 7,000 others were shot and wounded, according to Gaza’s health ministry.

    Also, post the link you coward!

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      unarmed children getting hit from 300 meters. IOF snipers were having competitions to see how many Palestinian knees they could destroy, just intentionally maiming people

      ‘42 Knees in One Day’: Israeli Snipers Open Up About Shooting Gaza Protesters

      EDIT: replaced paywalled Haaretz with archive link

      • ProfessorAdonisCnut [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        Quick question what the actual fuck

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          they’re fascists. it’s what they do, it’s why they deserve to die

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    deleted by creator

  • Tankiedesantski [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    I knew that the IDF has a pre-set kill limit. Knowing that, I sent waves and waves of unarmed women and children at the Israelis until they exceeded their limit and shut down.

    • FlakesBongler [they/them]@hexbear.net
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      If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards

      Checkmate

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      The kill cap is 2,147,483,647

  • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    but fewer would die

    fewer Israelis, maybe

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    THEY ALREADY DID THAT YOU FUCKING MORON

    They got shot, killed and injured by the IDF

    Anyway slava palestine, slava to the martyrs

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    “Just line up against the mass graves so the fascists can kill you easily” is quite the take from libs

    • Sickos [they/them, it/its]@hexbear.net
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      They literally did the “lie down and pretend to be dead and let them arrest you” “protest” during the George Floyd stuff. Liberal ideology has no room for effective political action.

      • zed_proclaimer [he/him]@hexbear.net
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        radliberalism is a disease and a potentially fatal one that will get you killed doing stupid pointless symbolic horseshit

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    Imagine thinking liberals would care about 100,000 civilians being massacred if they fail the us-foreign-policy test

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    I still can’t believe I’ve seen this exact conversation play on this site of all places. agony-shivering

    • Parsani [love/loves, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      I hope there was a swift ban-hammer for that

      • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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        I couple people caught temp bans that I saw

        • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netM
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          Lemme att’em, 27 year temp bans at a minimum!

          • Duży Szef [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
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            1984 years should be the minimum please

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    They’d be cut down like field mice under a roto tiller, but at least it would do nothing

    • FactuallyUnscrupulou [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      It would do something. The white moderates get there peace in place of having to witness justice.

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  • Markiplier [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    There is nothing more privileged than these clowns who think wars can be won peacefully.

    • iridaniotter [she/her]@hexbear.net
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      What about that time Yeltsin gave his congress a pepsi and then the USSR dissolved peacefully? blob-no-thoughts

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        Not pictured: peaceful dissolving causing losses comparable to WW2.

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        dissolved peacefully like a mentos

      • Omniraptor@lemm.ee
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        The conflict of Yeltsin vs congress/the supreme soviet (1993) happened years after the attempted military coup that caused the collapse of the Union (1991). Yeltsin and the supreme Soviet were on the same side of the barricades back in 1991.

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          Thanks for the correction.

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    They already tried that in 2018 and it got them shot by israelis. Also didnt israel killed their own pm (who himself is still fucking brutal and did war crimes) who tried some sort of compromise that heavily favors israel?

    • TheModerateTankie [any]@hexbear.net
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      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin

      The perpetrator was Yigal Amir, a 25-year-old former Hesder student and far-right law student at Bar-Ilan University. Amir had strenuously opposed Rabin’s peace initiative, particularly the signing of the Oslo Accords, because he felt that an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank would deny Jews their “biblical heritage which they had reclaimed by establishing settlements”. Amir had come to believe that Rabin was a rodef, meaning a “pursuer” who endangered Jewish lives. The concept of din rodef (“law of the pursuer”) is a part of traditional Jewish law. Amir believed he would be justified under din rodef in removing Rabin as a threat to Jews in the territories.[15]

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