The DOJ does suck, and Epstein (and Maxwell) were horrific rapists and sex trafficers. However, the files don’t prove a widespread conspiracy, they instead prove what we already knew, that people in power are shitty people, who look the other way, and readily associate with deeply immoral criminals, just to gain influence and network. All this shit about a widespread cannibal cabal makes you look disturbed and conspiratorial, instead of facing the much less crazy, but arguably just as sad facts.
However, the files don’t prove a widespread conspiracy, they instead prove what we already knew, that people in power are shitty people, who look the other way, and readily associate with deeply immoral criminals, just to gain influence and network.
Right, it just proves there’s a widespread group of people who came together and came to an agreement about the crimes they were committing and how they would get away with it. Hmmmmmmm, I wonder what a word for that would be…
conspiracy /kən-spîr′ə-sē/
noun
An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
I just don’t believe there was a large, organized group of people doing cannibalism and such. It is extremely unlikely that such a conspiracy would exist for a sustained period of time.
I don’t care how large the group committing the acts are if there is, in fact, a large conspiracy of people actively protecting them. One person actively committing the crime is one too many, and anyone protecting them is complicit. If this were a bank robbery where someone was killed, the getaway driver still gets the murder conviction, even if he never went in the building.
To bastardize an old saying, if there are 10 people at a table and they choose to let the cannibalistic pedophile sit down and don’t immediately eject them with a brick, you have a group of 11 people conspiring to protect a cannibalistic pedophile.
I don’t think I’ve defended billionaires, their existence is inherently immoral, regardless of whether they are cannibals or not. Also, I don’t appreciate the ad hominem remark. I was just engaging in the discourse, as I am interested in how misinformation and conspiratorial ideas develop and propagate.
The released files literally include correspondence where Epstein is directing the conspiracy theories that Qanon/Rogan/4chan ended up pushing. And the rest of the files confirm that the conspiracies pushed were just admitting what he and his friends were doing but blame other people.
I don’t think that’s correct, maybe I’m wrong but the files released so far at least don’t include that. Regardless, I’m not disputing that he and his friends did horrific things, might as well have blamed them on others. I am just saying that extrapolating that to a large scale conspiracy with the active participation of the number of people suggested is super unlikely. This is in no way meant to defend anyone involved with Epstein, they are despicable ghouls who should suffer the consequences of their actions.
No I think I’ve spent the last 10-20 years listening to right wing pundits push crazier and crazier conspiracy theories.
I don’t give a fuck what the right thinks. They can release the Epstein Files and prove all of this wrong in an instant, they haven’t — so they’re cannibals.
Why would the right’s crazy conspiracy theories influence reality? I get the projection narrative, but just mirroring what a crazy person says does not necessarily make it not crazy.
You cannot reason someone into a position they did not reason themselves into. What they think and how they feel does not matter, because they aren’t the ones in control of it.
I am not mirroring a crazy person, I am shining a light on their crazy. If they’d like to set the record straight they’re more than welcome to, but the ball is in their court.
Because of the cannibalism, of course.
Edit: oh, and I know exactly how it influences reality — did you see what happened recently to vaccine mandates in the U.S.? We reduced the number of childhood vaccines from 17 to 11. The specific vaccines are: respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), hepatitis A, hepatitis B, dengue, meningococcal ACWY and meningococcal B. They’ve cited that only children in high risk categories should get these vaccines.
If that isn’t evidence of crazy conspiracy theories affecting reality I don’t know what is.
Thanks for the correction, you’re right, crazy conspiracy theories do affect reality in that way. I meant affecting reality in a way where, no matter how many people say vaccines cause autism, it won’t make it reality. So by that example, no matter how much the right was ‘projecting’ about cannibalism and other stuff, that by itself is not proof, or proof of the contrary.
I meant affecting reality in a way where, no matter how many people say vaccines cause autism, it won’t make it reality.
I understand where you’re coming from, and you’re absolutely correct. This is information warfare though, and one side accepts facts and science while the other accepts vibes. Cannabalism is a bad vibe, and if the right wing media ecosystem tries to sanewash it (like the whole ‘Trump isn’t a pedo, he’s a hebephile’ sham) — they don’t come back from that.
We have to use their cognitive disability against them.
I’m no shill, just a skeptic. I get the righteous anger, I hate everything about the people involved too, we just disagree on what, in the grand scheme of things, are insignificant details.
The DOJ does suck, and Epstein (and Maxwell) were horrific rapists and sex trafficers. However, the files don’t prove a widespread conspiracy, they instead prove what we already knew, that people in power are shitty people, who look the other way, and readily associate with deeply immoral criminals, just to gain influence and network. All this shit about a widespread cannibal cabal makes you look disturbed and conspiratorial, instead of facing the much less crazy, but arguably just as sad facts.
Right, it just proves there’s a widespread group of people who came together and came to an agreement about the crimes they were committing and how they would get away with it. Hmmmmmmm, I wonder what a word for that would be…
Huh, would you look at that, it WAS a conspiracy!
I just don’t believe there was a large, organized group of people doing cannibalism and such. It is extremely unlikely that such a conspiracy would exist for a sustained period of time.
I don’t care how large the group committing the acts are if there is, in fact, a large conspiracy of people actively protecting them. One person actively committing the crime is one too many, and anyone protecting them is complicit. If this were a bank robbery where someone was killed, the getaway driver still gets the murder conviction, even if he never went in the building.
To bastardize an old saying, if there are 10 people at a table and they choose to let the cannibalistic pedophile sit down and don’t immediately eject them with a brick, you have a group of 11 people conspiring to protect a cannibalistic pedophile.
Hundreds of men raping thousands of children is not a conspiracy by your definition??
defending billionaires is also cuck flex
I don’t think I’ve defended billionaires, their existence is inherently immoral, regardless of whether they are cannibals or not. Also, I don’t appreciate the ad hominem remark. I was just engaging in the discourse, as I am interested in how misinformation and conspiratorial ideas develop and propagate.
The released files literally include correspondence where Epstein is directing the conspiracy theories that Qanon/Rogan/4chan ended up pushing. And the rest of the files confirm that the conspiracies pushed were just admitting what he and his friends were doing but blame other people.
I don’t think that’s correct, maybe I’m wrong but the files released so far at least don’t include that. Regardless, I’m not disputing that he and his friends did horrific things, might as well have blamed them on others. I am just saying that extrapolating that to a large scale conspiracy with the active participation of the number of people suggested is super unlikely. This is in no way meant to defend anyone involved with Epstein, they are despicable ghouls who should suffer the consequences of their actions.
Read more of the files, the correspondence is there I assure you, but everybody needs to read it for themselves.
I’ll look into it I guess, thanks.
So I’m assuming you’re a libertarian…
??? Sorry I don’t get how that follows, and I’m not. I’m not even sure how my personal political philosophy would matter in this case.
No I think I’ve spent the last 10-20 years listening to right wing pundits push crazier and crazier conspiracy theories.
I don’t give a fuck what the right thinks. They can release the Epstein Files and prove all of this wrong in an instant, they haven’t — so they’re cannibals.
Why would the right’s crazy conspiracy theories influence reality? I get the projection narrative, but just mirroring what a crazy person says does not necessarily make it not crazy.
You cannot reason someone into a position they did not reason themselves into. What they think and how they feel does not matter, because they aren’t the ones in control of it.
I am not mirroring a crazy person, I am shining a light on their crazy. If they’d like to set the record straight they’re more than welcome to, but the ball is in their court.
Because of the cannibalism, of course.
Edit: oh, and I know exactly how it influences reality — did you see what happened recently to vaccine mandates in the U.S.? We reduced the number of childhood vaccines from 17 to 11. The specific vaccines are: respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), hepatitis A, hepatitis B, dengue, meningococcal ACWY and meningococcal B. They’ve cited that only children in high risk categories should get these vaccines.
If that isn’t evidence of crazy conspiracy theories affecting reality I don’t know what is.
Thanks for the correction, you’re right, crazy conspiracy theories do affect reality in that way. I meant affecting reality in a way where, no matter how many people say vaccines cause autism, it won’t make it reality. So by that example, no matter how much the right was ‘projecting’ about cannibalism and other stuff, that by itself is not proof, or proof of the contrary.
I understand where you’re coming from, and you’re absolutely correct. This is information warfare though, and one side accepts facts and science while the other accepts vibes. Cannabalism is a bad vibe, and if the right wing media ecosystem tries to sanewash it (like the whole ‘Trump isn’t a pedo, he’s a hebephile’ sham) — they don’t come back from that.
We have to use their cognitive disability against them.
We found the shill!
I’m no shill, just a skeptic. I get the righteous anger, I hate everything about the people involved too, we just disagree on what, in the grand scheme of things, are insignificant details.