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    10 days ago

    I guess my perennial issue with “America deserved 9/11” takes is that it’s ahistorical. America carried out 9/11 against itself.

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          Maybe he’ll stage another assassination attempt and then have all his drones post about why we need the ballroom.

          I’m just saying, if Trump doesn’t do his own 9/11 I will never entertain any conspiracy about it ever again.

          Conversely, if we get another 9/11 I will be 100% sure it was an inside job, and that the last one was too.

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      Who knows. Looking back at “Letter from Bin Laden” it reads like something which after 20 years people in the West can finally understand. 9/11 was for Palestine and did exactly what Bin Laden predicted. It would entrench the US in endless wars, which would then be the cause for the downfall of the US empire.

      https://scholarship.tricolib.brynmawr.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/218e2431-0b76-43ff-8ac5-284ae73d29ad/content

      As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple: (1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.a) You attacked us in Palestine. Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its*price, and pay for it heavily.

      (ii) It brings us both laughter and tears to see that you have not yet tired of repeating your fabricated lies that the Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history. The people of Palestine are pure Arabs and original Semites. It is the Muslims who are the inheritors of Moses (peace be upon him) and the inheritors of the real Torah that has not been changed. Muslims believe in all of the Prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all. If the followers of Moses have been promised a right to Palestine in the Torah, then the Muslims are the most worthy nation of this

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      If the Americans refuse to listen to our advice and the goodness, guidance and righteousness that we call them to, then be aware that you will lose this Crusade Bush began, just like the other previous Crusades in which you were humiliated by the hands of the Mujahideen, fleeing to your home in great silence and disgrace. If the Americans do not respond, then their fate will be that of the Soviets who fled from Afghanistan to deal with their military defeat, political breakup, ideological downfall, and economic bankruptcy. This is our message to the Americans, as an answer to theirs. Do they now know why we fight Them and over which form of ignorance, by the permission of Allah, we shall be victorious?

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        If you just want to interpret his ideology in isolation, that’s not going to give you a real picture of the Bin Laden family & the CIA’s overall relationship with Al Qaeda.

        If we’re going simply off ideology, where tf is the Islam in this? What is bro (Bin Laden) yapping about?

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          He attacked the United States over their aggression on Palestine in support of the Muslims there along with US aggression over the entire region. International solidarity.

          7 october shows similar stories of people saying Netanyahu was behind it. But to scrutiny that not hold up. Who knows what truly happened. But the real motives certainly existed and the goal of 9/11 is being fulfilled to this day by the United States destroying itself by flailing in blind rage.